Atheism

Because you're ignorant and lack a command of reason and logic. These are all preeminently curable conditions, but first you would need to acknowledge them, and then take action to supply your intellectual wants. As long as you prance around saying meaningless things as though you were clever, none of that will change.

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@Setanta,

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These are all preeminently curable conditions

Really!? Would ya school me on it? Would ya!? If you would only just learn me, I know I would be 100 times more better off, eh?

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@layman,

Why should anyone here bother, you snide, sneering, half-wit son of a bitch?

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@layman,

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This is why I said no middle ground (again paraphrasing). You say it's (1) either A or B and (2) it can't be both A and not-A (the "law of the excluded middle" in logic). So based on that, you say:

ok, this was in reference to logic, Either something exist or it doesn't

Pure and simple.

What would be the middle ground of this? I don't think there is a middle ground. Unless you want to get into Shrodinger's cat Laughing

Now, I can believe something exist or that it doesn't without knowing.

What ever information that I am able gather about the validity would help me either to show some degree of truthfulness one way or the other and may or may not help me to decide whether it is true or not or lead to more questions..all are possible.

I then can ask hopefully what seems more probable? What seems more reasonable to me?

My reason for saying that I'm 99 % sure is because I have not seen one piece of evidence proving god(s) existence, So the balance would be in the negative. and yes without evidence it would be a high probability that the god(s) in question doesn't exist, But that isn't saying that I know god(s) doesn't exit.

If there is a god(s) all I ask for is proof. And if there is no way of knowing then I am baffled as to how anyone can make such a claim...How do they know? Let us all in and lets test to see if it is true. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe their claims.

I think compelled is too strong a word. If you don't believe in god and if you believe in god.. ? You tell me what is the middle ground? What is (are) the other option(s)? You tell me. I don't know Franks position. I have to ask him and hope he tells me.

Well then, can you explain that third position to me?

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@Setanta,

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Why should anyone here bother, you snide, sneering, half-wit son of a bitch?

Sheeit! Figures, eh? To quote the late, great, Sonny Terry:

Ole Massa was so mean to me.....
I worked just like a slave....
Them 18 hour days, people...
they will put ya in your grave....
That's why I'm walkin....
Walkin my blues away.

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@layman,

I see here that it says DeWitt "hosted the first meeting of the Community

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Mission Chapel, which DeWitt calls an "atheist church". An "atheist church," imagine that.

"DeWitt joined the Clergy Project, a group which lends confidential support to preachers who no longer believe in God. The Clergy Project was founded by Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Linda LaScola, and former preacher Dan Barker. DeWitt's outing as an atheist occurred in October 2011 after a photo circulated online of DeWitt and Dawkins, taken at a meeting of freethinkers."

I'm not sure Dawkins and Dennet quite got through to him though, FBM, because he uses the word "agnosticism" in the quote you posted. Most atheist churches these days preach that there is no such critter, from what I've seen.

Some do but I wouldn't say most because I already mentioned three large atheist groups who Don't.
And not any particular person or groups can speak for all who call themselves Atheist.

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@argome321,

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Well then, can you explain that third position to me?

Well, Arg, in the context we're talking (knowledge, belief, deity, etc.) I thought I already raised the possibility of a third way of looking at things, in that same post, eh?

To wit:

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This is one reason I kept asking you if you thought it was even possible to not have any beliefs, one way or the other. The way you put it, if you don't believe there is a god, then you have to believe there isn't.

A third possibility would be (or so I say, and Frank says, as it applies to him) to say that you don't have a definite belief on the topic either way. Not saying you (or anyone in particular) have to take that position, only that it seems quite possible to me.

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@Setanta,

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There's more bullshit in the last few pages of this thread than one could expect to find in a Nebraska feed lot.

You should stay away from Nebraska feedlots....well, feedlots in general....you will only make them smell worse .

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@layman,

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Maybe it just means "free from the chains of religion." eh? Whatever...if it's "free" I want me some of it!

I was never raised in any religion and rejected it early, but I am going to guess here..a complete guess on my part, Perhaps they mean that they are free from the religious dogma that they were born into. That now being skeptics that they could question ideas instead of accepting them on faith. That is just my guess.

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@layman,

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i have zero respect for your intellect

Given his propensity for being TOTALLY wrong, there is a 99.99% chance of you having a very high intellect based on his statement alone . Notice how he tries to contribute but cant ?

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@Ionus,

Ah-hahahahahahaha . . . you are and always have been one of the biggest bullshit merchants around here. You've often claimed i'm wrong, but you never prove it. You always make claims which, apparently, we are to believe just because you make the claim.

I've contributed to this thread since it began. All you've done is to show up years later to offer a lame attack on atheists based on an ignorant and narrow view of atheists. That's all we'll ever see from you, because you never provide any evidence for the bullshit you peddle. Tell us again how you've turned over a new leaf, Mr. Civility.

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@argome321,

The supernatural like the size of the universe or the nature of sub-atomic realities ? Science deals with the supernatural every day . What I was saying was that in the future we may be able to prove or disprove God by science but the ability doesnt exist yet . All I have seen atheists attempt to do is prove the Bible is not literally true and claim that disproves God . Very poor science .

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@layman,

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Well, Arg, in the context we're talking (knowledge, belief, deity, etc.) I thought I already raised the possibility of a third way of looking at things, in that same post, eh?

Could you point that place out in our post for me? A thing is or isn't, what is the third option?

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@Ionus,

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Given his propensity for being TOTALLY wrong,...

Please don't say those kind of things, Ionus. You have no idea how disillusioned and devasted I was to learn that my idol, Saint Anna, had less than a universally accepted reputation for brilliance in these here parts, eh? It's people like you that ruin this joint, if you ask me.

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Ah more childish sarcasm . . . that's as good as it gets with you.

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@argome321,

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Could you point that place out in our post for me?

I just did (or so I recall). I said "to wit" then re-pasted it, Arg.

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@argome321,

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Why do you think we would be worshiping anything?

I think you misread what I said . If you take away religion, what will fill the lives of people who need religion ? Religion exists because people live next door to an all powerful God - the emotional and memory part of the brain . Others spend far more time aware of the logical part of their brain and worship science .

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@layman,

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I just did (or so I recall). I said "to wit" then re-pasted it, Arg.

No I'm asking what is the third option to something is or isn't?
Because that is the premise in which you are building your argument on

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@layman,

One rule of psychology is never reinforce a fantasy in a psychotic . You are doing damage to someone who has emotional and chemical problems that he has tried to hide behind a delusion of intelligence and intellect . (wish I could see him race off to google to see what I said) .

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@Ionus,

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I think you misread what I said . If you take away religion, what will fill the lives of people who need religion ? Religion exists because people live next door to an all powerful God - the emotional and memory part of the brain . Others spend far more time aware of the logical part of their brain and worship science .

Perhaps we don't agree because I don't think that is necessarily True. Perhaps people want to believe that they need a god(s) because of their orientation and indoctrination.

I guess the only way to tell is to have some kind of experiment.

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