Atheism

I have gone over my belief so many times on here that I don't want to do it yet again. It will just attract religious trolls.

diest tko? ah, a guy I miss seeing.

I did tell about a single individual who just lost it when he realized i'm an atheist--but that just points out how different everyone's experiences are. That's the only time if has ever happened to me, and it otherwise just doesn't come up. That is grist for this kind of mill, in which we discuss our experiences, but it sure as hell is no basis for forming an organization of people whose life experiences are so divergent.

I see Alias posting from time to time at FB, but i don't recall him posting about atheists.

Mostly he doesn't, but he does.

'K . . . i continue, though, to see no purpose in such an organization.

He posted on this thread but also in various others about atheism and religion.

Check Failures Art.

I know who failures art is . . . we were discussing his activity on FB.

Okay..

I hate to burst your bubble but they do. If only their relationship with believers, at work, with family, in a couple, etc., believers who either do not believe you when you tell them you're an atheist (one of them tried to pull that one on me yesterday) or want to convert you, or say things like 'i will pray for you'... There is also more or less subtle discrimination against atheists in some countries, including in the US perhaps, and that could create a common cause.

You're talking about people of religion, not the atheist. Prove to us that atheists have common beliefs - other than our denial of any god. You know; provide a list of 'common beliefs of the atheist.'

We're talking about common issues, not common beliefs. Common issues such as how to survive and thrive in a believers world. That formz a solid common ground of day to day experience and challenges.

As for beliefs, common ones are easy to spot too, once you put your mind to it seriously rather than just dismissing the question off hand. Off the top of my head,most if not all atheists I know believe that God(s) or other magic forces do not intervene in this world and that all that happens in this world is therefore entirely natural and not supernatural. Many if not all atheists consider religion dangerous for society in some way or another. They often support science and education as good ways to promote social progress. They tend to embrace the separation of church and state, etc. These are all rather trivial.

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Not true! The majority of humans on this planet believes in one religion or another. We all understand there are extremists in all walks of life; it's not based on 'religion.' It's the human condition. Trying to blame violence on religion is ignorant at best. The majority of people promotes education and science. What's your point - if you really have one?

The point I was making was not that religion is objectively bad for society, but that many atheists SEE religion that way, for better or worse.

And there are many people who don't actually support science. Take the Quehog crew for instance: for them scientists are liars. Same with the christian right and the neocons who want to axe govt funding for scientific research.

for them scientists are liars.

I never wrote that!
I think most 'scientists' are (except the professors, most do lie deliberately!) sincere but made extremely stupid by the indoctrination oeps educational system, so they can't think straight anymore.
'science' is indeed a bundle of lies. If you are open to it, it is very easy to verify!
'science' by itself is nothing more then a bunch of belief systems. exactly like a religion.

Makes no difference. You don't support science, and that was my point.

Of course it does.

And I don't support 'science' as it is now. They lie and cheat!
e.g there is NOT ONE SINGLE IDEA that is thanks to 'modern physics'!

NONE whatso ever

But is a bit off topic AND you wouldn't understand it.


And, to have a good discussion you have to define 'science' first of course!

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In relationship to what? Many see many things as bad for society. There isn't anything that one can say "atheists believe in xxx" as being universal or based on the belief of all atheists.

That the likes of quohog doesn't believe in science has nothing to do with the beliefs of atheists.

You and I are not talking of the same thing. I don't mean that all atheists are identical, just that there is some common ground, in the form of "most atheists agree that...". Not "all atheists agree that...."

It is not possible to find any group of human beings who will all share exactly the same beliefs. Believers aren't identical either. While most religious Jews for instance would agree with the idea that God sent them his Law, they often disagree on what that Law says in particular instances.

Atheists tend to support and even LOVE science to a greater degree than believers, in my experience. And many top scientists are atheist.

Not only scientists.

In my experience, education in general is inversely proportional to faith..