Atheism

@MWal,

MWal wrote:

You don't have to die. You are capable of happiness!

If you mean that to accomplish "happiness", I should buy into some made up nonsense...then no...I took the red pill( reference to The Matrix).

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@Germlat,

What made up nonsense? Happiness is all capable on its own.

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@MWal,

MWal wrote:

What made up nonsense? Happiness is all capable on its own.

You have strong convictions but don't provide references to your opinions or beliefs. Your statements seem vague.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I'd be interested to know what policies Intrepid alleges that atheists have, and what power and influence they have to impose those policies on others.

Setanta, I don't suggest that atheists have a specific policy. After all, there is no atheist club or meeting place, ass far as I know.

I do not suggest that they have any more power to influence others than religionist people have. That being said, there is much evidence in these threads and in all parts of this world that we share to suggest that many both atheists and religionists have some kind of agenda to depose the other.

Again, I believe that atheists have every right to their opinion and thoughts as any person who holds a religious view. All Christians do not get along or, necessarily, hold the same religious view. So how could we expect to see harmony.

My view is that if I invite someone or offer testimony they they have the right to accept or refuse. If they accept I would be happy. But, if they refuse I do not have the right to push them. We can still be friends with differing views. Just as none of us roots for the same baseball or hockey team.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Christians (not all) try to subvert science education, try to close separation of church and state, practice politics from the pulpit, knock on doors, try to exclude atheists from civil process - more, but you can see where I am going. We have to push back or get run over.

You are probably right, Edgar. I sometimes forget that we in Canada do not have some of the same culture as you have in the U.S. Many of the things that you mention are really not evident up hear in the far north. Not to say that it does not exist to some degree.

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@Intrepid,

You wrote,

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That being said, there is much evidence in these threads and in all parts of this world that we share to suggest that many both atheists and religionists have some kind of agenda to depose the other.

How can it be to "depose the other?" I have never seen or heard of anyone changing their mind about their belief in god because of something an atheist may have said or the atheist who became religious.

Do you have any source to prove otherwise?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
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That being said, there is much evidence in these threads and in all parts of this world that we share to suggest that many both atheists and religionists have some kind of agenda to depose the other.

How can it be to "depose the other?" I have never seen or heard of anyone changing their mind about their belief in god because of something an atheist may have said or the atheist who became religious.

Do you have any source to prove otherwise?

CI CI CI, just because you have not experience a change of heart from either view does not mean that it does not exist. (hmmm)

I know of people who had atheist views that now have a true and loving belief in God. I also know some who went from having a faith in God to leaving the church.

You really should get out and about and open yourself to more of the real world.

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@Intrepid,

Which is why I qualified my statement.

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@Germlat,

I may pioneer these thoughts. I certainly am becoming more enlightened every day following love and happiness.

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@Intrepid,

What you say may be true, but I did qualify it by, "I have never seen or heard..." I never said it doesn't happen.

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@MWal,

MWal wrote:

I may pioneer these thoughts. I certainly am becoming more enlightened every day following love and happiness.

Maybe so...you must provide a way you come to conclusions though.

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@Germlat,

As I said my own theory reasoning and logic.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What you say may be true, but I did qualify it by, "I have never seen or heard..." I never said it doesn't happen.

...and I qualified it by stating that I have seen and heard. My suggestion was that if you got out into the real world you would probably experience it as well. I never suggested that you said it doesn't happen.

It will never happen if you keep your head buried in the sand and are afraid to experience it for yourself. No, I am not suggesting that you convert. Smile

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@Intrepid,

Get out in the world? That's the best laugh I've had today. I have traveled around this planet equivalent to 30 times. I don't think you personally know of anyone who has traveled as much. LMAO

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@Intrepid,

Perhaps we see this differently becaue religion does not hold the same place in Canadian society as it does in the United States. In the 20 years of Republican presidents between Reagan's election and Obama's election, they succeeded in prohibiting any federal program from giving funds to any organization which provided abortions or birth control, or even advocated it. The religious right became disenchanted with the younger George Bush because they felt he had not kept his promises. He doubtlessly was advised that Federal courts would strike down any program of his which overtly promoted religion. Ironically, the recent Greece, New York decision by the Supremes suggested that they may not have been the case. Republicans became disenchanted with the religious right, too, as people whom they opposed were elected to state offices, and even to the Congress. Nevertheless, the religous right wields a good deal of power in American politics.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Sometimes I think that those who are the most vocal and feel the need to try and belittle others are doing so because they are really afraid that they may be wrong

Or maybe we're just annoyed because we never see atheists ringing at our door to bring us the good news that the Old-Testament God is fiction; or because we can never sleep in a hotel where we could open the drawer of the nightstand and find a copy of The God Delusion in it; or that we never see people not look at us funny when someone recites the pledge of allegiance in its original form: the form without the word "god" in it. There are plenty of possible explanations you might have thought of instead of the one you came up with.

Intrepid wrote:

Many equate those with religious beliefs with some who would despise gays etc. If we truly believe that God created man, then He is responsible for ALL men including gay men and women.

I am well aware that many Christians agree with you, but you have all put yourselves in clear contradiction to the Bible, both Old Testament and New.

Intrepid wrote:

For many children, and even some adults, Santa Claus does exist because they want him to exist.

And because their children trusted that their parents wouldn't lie to them about Santa. Their trust was, of course, betrayed.

Intrepid wrote:

You follow me on Facebook? Cool.

"Follow" would be an overstatement. We have friends in common there.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

You don't have a clue do you? Science is a methodology, a way of testing theories. It's not the mastermind of anything.

Science as an institution, disposing freely and unaccountably with the money of the tax payers is everything else but 'methodology' - for further details see the classified scientific reports that are scheduled for destruction after the expiry of the term of classification, and are actually never shown to the genuine assignor paying the money for that research - the tax payers & the wide public.

hingehead wrote:

You think it's a one on one replacement for god

Yes, it is one-on-one replacement for ID (I would not say God, for we actually don't know who/what God is, and we don't even know whether we would ever get knowing that). It is either ID or stochastics (that has created us), or perhaps a combination of both. You are the one who excludes ID and combined ID-stochastics on the grounds of your pseudo-scientific prejudices.

hingehead wrote:

... because your mind appears locked into a theistic outlook.

Whether my mind is locked or unlocked ... and in what is not exactly your problem. I told you more than once that I am agnostic ... and you call yourself a scientist. WFM.

hingehead wrote:

But it's not a replacement for anything except blind acceptance.

I have had great teachers ... in the face of the big-bang theorists and the evolutionists. If they can make triple blind assumptions, based exclusively on beliefs only (that in the capacity of great scientists they can make any fizzy constructs in the definitions of the terms and can talk everything to the public), what is the problem for me to have 'blind beliefs' ... based on math probabilistic calculations.

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@Herald,

I completely disagree with your premise that 'science' is an institution. No-one owns it. Certainly there are institutions charged with managing it but they can't control all of it - and believe it or not science happens even without government funding.

Fix your terminology - you cannot blame a methodology for the institutions you have a problem with.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

I completely disagree with your premise that 'science' is an institution. No-one owns it.

Science as you call it, is absolutely subordinated at various levels. No scientist can express freely any personal expert opinion, if it is not approved at least at 3-5 levels of 'management'.

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@Herald,

You're so full of sh*t, it's coming out of your ears. Science is simply knowledge, and in the contemporary context, the methodology for gaining knowledge. What you refer to is Academia, and it's bizarre socio-political dictates. I'm not surprised that you don't make the distinction, because the drivel you puke up here is always simple-minded stereotypes. Given that you are an IDiot who isn't even honest enough to admit your belief in god, why should anyone take your pronouncements seriously?

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