Atheism

@Krumple,

Atheism is not a word.

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@anonymously99,

anonymously99 wrote:

Atheism is not a word.

And you are not intelligent. I guess that's two things that have been pointed out.

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@Krumple,

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@Krumple,

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Just silly how you guys

You were addressing Romeo Krumpie. Who are the "guys" you are referring to and who you obviously seek to deprecate on the basis of what Romeo has said?

It is as if I had said how silly it is of "you guys", atheists, to accuse fellow members of A2K of being mentally ill when he's only taking the piss out of atheists, and, as a bonus, of claiming to be a rational person yourself at the same time.

That's objectively silly and even irrational people are likely to agree.

Romeo is pretty MOR imo. But he is obviously bothering you.

Would you prefer that there was no Jesus and that Christianity had never got off the ground?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Would you prefer that there was no Jesus and that Christianity had never got off the ground?

There was definitely a use for it. My point has always been it is obsolete now. It's like trying to argue that smoke signals is the best mode for communication. The point is, we don't need christianity any more and in fact holding onto it as a society does more harm than good. It insists to retard the mindsets of those who think it is still valid or relevant.

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@Krumple,

That isn't rational Krumpie unless it is cynical, anti-democratic propaganda in its lowest form. And there's no way it was aimed at a rational audience.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

That isn't rational Krumpie unless it is cynical, anti-democratic propaganda in its lowest form. And there's no way it was aimed at a rational audience.

As you missed, like you always do. (perhaps not miss but ignore because you want to ignore logic or reasoning) The point is that when technology changes we don't assume the older technology is better suited for the job. It doesn't make any sense. Yet people want to think the philosophy never changes, the older it is the better it is? Nonsense. We have transcended the need for religion. It is obsolete and out dated. Only those who have been indoctrinated or have a mental block of some kind, need or require a religious mind set to function.

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Some $600,000 in cash and check donations were stolen this week from Lakewood Church in Houston, according to the city's police department.

Incredibly, all of the money was from one weekend's donations, the church says. For many American churches, $600,000 in tithes would be a good month or even year.

The church, which is pastored by bestselling author and preacher Joel Osteen, told congregants the stolen money came from contributions on March 8 and 9.

The theft occurred between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning. About $200,000 in cash and $400,000 in checks were stolen from a church safe, said Houston Police Department spokeswoman Jodi Silva.

I think God took his cut

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@panzade,

Annual revenue about $75 Million a year...damn, I should've studied drama. Who knew the money to be made was in religion?'

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NOGALES, Ariz. (AP) — Roman Catholic leaders made a rare visit to the border and celebrated Mass on Tuesday in the shadow of the fence separating the US and Mexico, offering Holy Communion through the steel barrier to people on the Mexican side as they sought to bring attention to the plight of immigrants.

Cardinal Sean O’Malley, the leader of the Boston Archdiocese, led a delegation of bishops from around the country and Mexico in the trip to the border, less than a week after President Barack Obama discussed immigration reform in a meeting with Pope Francis. They toured the border city of Nogales, walked along a notorious section of the border that was once a popular crossing point for drug and immigrant smugglers, and celebrated Mass just a few feet from the fence.

The Catholic leaders believe that immigration is a humanitarian issue that deserves urgent attention by Congress. They cite the dozens of immigrants who die each year in the brutal desert terrain while trying to cross illegally into the United States along the roughly 2,000-mile-long border with Mexico and note that the immigrants are simply trying to find better lives in
Most Reverend Gerald F. Kicanas, Bishop of Tucson, offers communion to people on the Mexican side of the international border, Tuesday, April 1, 2014, in Nogales, Ariz. Kicanas and Boston Archdiocese Cardinal Sean O'Malley, along with several Bishops who serve along the U.S./Mexico border, were visiting the border town to bring awareness to immigration reform and to remember those who have died trying to cross the border in years past. (AP Photo/Matt York)
Photos: Mass at US-Mexico border

‘‘This is not just a political or economic problem,’’ O’Malley said Tuesday. ‘‘This is a moral problem.’’

A church official that resonates with me.

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@panzade,

The book "How Jesus Became God" is a historians look at how the original Jesus followers up to and including the time of the Council of Constantinople had pronounced that Jesus was a deity for all time.
Its an interesting read that analyzes everything from "exaltative Christology" to the Nicean belief that Jesus was "by nature God all through his life and through all time".
Ehrman follows the stages of Christology in a forensic examination
fashion by looking at the beliefs of the original Jesus followers who ,claimed that Jesus was exalted into deity dtatus by God( by claiming visions of Jesus after his "ascendance into heaven" and Not from his having "risen from the dead because they knew that the general population would be skeptical and claim that Jesus body was merely spirited away and not as a miracle). Then Ehrman looks at Pauls writings (who really was the first of the major correspondents)

Then came the Gospels and those of Nag Hamadi , where Jesus nature is gradually unveiled as being "Divine only after he was crucified"
Then later with MAtthew and Luke "He became divine after his "baptism". Then with John He became divine his entire life and then , with Constantine, Jesus was divine by nature through all time .
Ehrman , besides being a classical historian, was originally a PhD divinity graduate from Princeton, and was originally an Evangelical professor of divinity at Rutgers. He had a profound change of belief and is now an unbeliever but he retains a keen interest in the "HISTORY OF THE POMP AND RITUAL OF CHRISTIANITY".(I love that one)
Its highly accessible to folks like many of us who don't like to engage in circular reasoning of proving points of belief by quoting scripture and laying out as if it were evidence.

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@panzade,

Catholics even made up Amerindian virgins...Guadalupe, Suyapa. They'll take anyone's cash. Latin America is predominantly Catholic . They're diplomatic...don't want to anger anyone...they still want that tithe (10% of family income going to the church). They didn't get so rich by being reckless.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

The book "How Jesus Became God" is a historians look at how the original Jesus followers up to and including the time of the Council of Constantinople had pronounced that Jesus was a deity for all time.
Its an interesting read that analyzes everything from "exaltative Christology" to the Nicean belief that Jesus was "by nature God all through his life and through all time".
Ehrman follows the stages of Christology in a forensic examination
fashion by looking at the beliefs of the original Jesus followers who ,claimed that Jesus was exalted into deity dtatus by God( by claiming visions of Jesus after his "ascendance into heaven" and Not from his having "risen from the dead because they knew that the general population would be skeptical and claim that Jesus body was merely spirited away and not as a miracle). Then Ehrman looks at Pauls writings (who really was the first of the major correspondents)

Then came the Gospels and those of Nag Hamadi , where Jesus nature is gradually unveiled as being "Divine only after he was crucified"
Then later with MAtthew and Luke "He became divine after his "baptism". Then with John He became divine his entire life and then , with Constantine, Jesus was divine by nature through all time .
Ehrman , besides being a classical historian, was originally a PhD divinity graduate from Princeton, and was originally an Evangelical professor of divinity at Rutgers. He had a profound change of belief and is now an unbeliever but he retains a keen interest in the "HISTORY OF THE POMP AND RITUAL OF CHRISTIANITY".(I love that one)
Its highly accessible to folks like many of us who don't like to engage in circular reasoning of proving points of belief by quoting scripture and laying out as if it were evidence.

I am a fan of Bart Ehrman, and have read many of his essays and listened to many of his talks. I think a lot of christians just use the worn out excuse when confronting him, they say he was not a true christian. Rather than look over his arguments or trying to understand his reasoning, they just dismiss it out right.

I say he is pretty confrontational towards christianity and the history of Jesus. But it is necessary to be that aggressive when a HUGE group of people don't even bother to research or fact check their own beliefs, let alone analyze them to see if they are in accordance with reality.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Don't ever try studying the Bible FBM. It wouldn't be good for you to discover your foolishness.

I studied it pretty thoroughly in university, when I was preparing for seminary. Studying it is what convinced me that it's fiction.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Romeo said to FBM: You're a Former Buddhist Monk (FBM) so as a matter of interest can you tell us why you ditched Buddhism?
FBM replied: Did I say I ditched Buddhism?

Your profile says you're a former buddhist monk, I always thought the word "former" meant "was" or am I mistaken?
If you're still a Buddhist, would Buddha approve of you attacking Christianity?
Speaking of words, the "bible contradictions" picture posts you made are backfiring on you for 2 reasons-
1- They're just disjointed out-of-context wordplays that nobody takes seriously.
2- They prove that nobody ever edited out the seeming contradictions, and the bible has therefore come down to us over the centuries unedited and untouched..

Did I say I was still a Buddhist? You seem to enjoy jumping to conclusions. As for your point-by-point:
1. Yes, disjointed and out of context because various authors of the Bible didn't collaborate very well when they were making up their stories. I'm sure that no xtian wants them to be taken seriously, but there they are.
2. Read up on your Bible history. It's chock full of editing. Want me to link you to some scholarship on that?

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I studied it pretty thoroughly in university, when I was preparing for seminary. Studying it is what convinced me that it's fiction.

I wish I could thumb this up multiple times.. it deserves it..

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Smileyrius said: Romeo my friend, I thought you were ok with contradictions being in the bible?

What are you trying to say mate? Spit it out.. Smile

The Bible is simply a testimony of eyewitness accounts, and eyewitnesses see things from different angles, that's all, I wouldn't call them "contradictions".
Anyway if the Bible was all squeaky-clean and neat and tidy it'd be phoney, but like I said, nobody ever tried to edit and censor bits out to try to make it look good, that's why we can trust it, warts and all.. Smile

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Krumple said: you are a nut case Romeo Fabulini. You have a mild mental illness that needs professional attention.

Funny you should say that mate, because as a kid I overheard my dad saying to my mam about me -
"He's nutty! No don't laugh, I really do mean it, he wastes all his pocket money on silly plastic model aeroplanes then hangs 'em on string from his bedroom ceiling in full view of the street, I dread to think what people are saying about him. He's up there now building a bleddy great Superfortress, god only knows how much that cost him, when's he going to grow up and start saving his pocket money instead?"

I got my own back though, I filled his radio with sand from a builders yard down the road and enjoyed his bewildered expression when he tried to tune in the Clay-Liston fight but all he got were electrical crackles and splutters. Hehe!
Then the sand began pouring out in torrents like an Indiana Jones temple and he freaked, "I don't believe it!" he yelled, "its full of bleddy sand, how the hell did that get in there?" Needless to say, I innocently denied all knowledge of it..
He's been dead now 30 years but I wonder what he'd say if he knew I still buy models, I've currently got my eye on Amelia Earhart's Lockheed Electra down the model shop.. Smile

PS- he was far nuttier than me anyway and everybody knew it, I once seen him peeing up the side of the neighbours house after dark.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Smileyrius said: Romeo my friend, I thought you were ok with contradictions being in the bible?

What are you trying to say mate? Spit it out..
The Bible is simply a testimony of eyewitness accounts, and eyewitnesses see things from different angles, that's all, I wouldn't call them "contradictions".
Anyway if the Bible was all squeaky-clean and neat and tidy it'd be phoney, but like I said, nobody ever tried to edit and censor bits out to try to make it look good, that's why we can trust it, warts and all..

Now I know you are full of ****. There are four accounts of Jesus resurrection and each one of them tells it completely differently. NONE OF THE STORIES match, not even closely resemble each other. They are drastically different as if they are telling completely different stories. They differ SO MUCH that you would have to be a moron to actually think they were an eye witness to anything.

It is clear that the story recorded was taken on a second hand account. That it wasn't eye witness testimony but a story passed down and then finally recorded probably 40 to 60 years after the events supposedly took place.

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Krumple said: There are four accounts of Jesus resurrection and each one of them tells it completely differently. NONE OF THE STORIES match

Huh? In each of them Jesus comes back to life, or do you think witnesses saw Mary Poppins coming out of the tomb?

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