Krumple
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:05 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Me, I prefer to be a happy fool..Smile


No, you are not a fool, you are an idiot.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:16 pm
Don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them to come back to post more stupidity.
Thomas
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:18 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I'm not making a qualitative argument. It's an intuitive but quantitative argument based on the relative sizes of the sun vs. life (total biomass).

But if not even the units behind your numbers match up, your argument, while quantitative, is gibberish. You start with a measure of size that varies between your posts. One moment you express it in terms of mass, measured in kilograms. The next moment you express it in terms of "amount, quantity", a dimensionless number. How does your argument lead from there to a statement about entropy, measured in Joules per Kelvin?
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:19 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them to come back to post more stupidity.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:48 pm
@Thomas,
Simple, as an example or application of my wider argument: Given that the sun emits energy in all directions (up and down from the ecliptic plane too of course) and all around the very very large solar system (expressed in light-minutes & hours), the amount of solar energy that could possibly be captured by the very very small sub-system earth (expressed in km) is very very very very small in comparison to the total energy of the solar system (expressed in joules).

Redo the same reasoning with the total average temperature of the entire solar system (expressed in kelvin). See if earth shows up as more than a blurp on that radar.

Entropy is expressed as energy/temperature.

ERGO, whether earth existed or not would NOT change the total entropy of the solar system in any discernible manner.

But of course, life itself is only an absolutely minutest fraction of the thermodynamic system called earth...

Should I go on?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 07:59 pm
Quote:
Romeo said: Me, I prefer to be a happy fool..
Krumple replied: No, you are not a fool, you are an idiot.
Setanta said: Don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them to come back to post more stupidity.

Guys, guys, here's more "idiocy" and "stupidity"..Smile-
Jesus to beggar- "Chill man, you're my mate"
Snooty priests- "Hey JC, why do you hang with dumb shits like him instead of well-educated doods like us?"
Jesus- "**** you ********!"

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jesus-another-runin_zpsd1d47484.jpg~original
anonymously99
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:01 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Jesus would not say that.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:16 pm
@anonymously99,
He cursed a fig tree once...
Thomas
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:34 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Should I go on?

I wouldn't advise it. You're doing this wrong, and attempting to educate you in this thread would be too tedious for me to bother. I suggest you read a book on thermodynamics.
Krumple
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:36 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

He cursed a fig tree once...


The fig tree story was an analogy. He was referring to a person who does not believe. According to him a person who doesn't believe doesn't bear any fruit and therefore they should be cursed and cast down or placed on a fire.

It is ridiculous. Just because a person doesn't believe it doesn't mean they should be tortured.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:43 pm
@Thomas,
Well, if you can find a flaw in the argument, do present it.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:46 pm
@Krumple,
Here you go. He could be violent...
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Thomas
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 08:55 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Well, if you can find a flaw in the argument, do present it.

To find a flaw in your argument, I would first have to find an argument. But I can't. There just isn't anything there, let alone anything that rises to the level of being flawed.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 10:22 pm
@spendius,
I was providing an observation not a riposte.

You're merely on the other side of the coin filtering the nice things that the delusions have brought us to without mentioning the decidedly not nice things that the delusions have brought, that the critics bring up, and you criticize them for not including those nice things. You're a hypocrite.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 10:43 pm
@Thomas,
It's a simplistic, macro and intuitive argument that was meant to work well with people with limited scientific knowledge. I thought that's what you were asking for at the point upthread when I interjected... Evidently, it didn't work well with you for some reason, maybe language, maybe the rough and dirty delivery, maybe the guesstimates approach involved.

How do you propose to estimate the entropy delta of the solar system as a whole between two arbitrary dates, say between 5 billion years ago and now, since life did not exist 5 billion years ago. Aren't you going to divide total energy by total average temperature of the system? Why is that so wrong? And if it's right, how much of the solar system's total energy and heat is stored in earth, do you think?
Krumple
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 11:20 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Guys, guys, here's more "idiocy" and "stupidity"..Smile-
Jesus to beggar- "Chill man, you're my mate"
Snooty priests- "Hey JC, why do you hang with dumb shits like him instead of well-educated doods like us?"
Jesus- "Because dumbshits are easier to convert than people who actually use their brain. If I only hung around intellectuals all day, I wouldn't convince any of them to join my cult."
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neologist
 
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Wed 2 Apr, 2014 11:22 pm
@Krumple,
Olivier5 wrote:
He cursed a fig tree once...
Krumple wrote:
The fig tree story was an analogy. He was referring to a person who does not believe. According to him a person who doesn't believe doesn't bear any fruit and therefore they should be cursed and cast down or placed on a fire.

It is ridiculous. Just because a person doesn't believe it doesn't mean they should be tortured.
Your right about analogy; but not about a person. And not about torture. It refers to phony religious organizations that produce rotten or no fruit. Their destruction is prophesied in Revelation, chapter 17 and 18. Of course, that's referring to that pesky Bible again. Sorry; I didn't bring it up.
neologist
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 11:25 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
He cursed a fig tree once...
Laughing Laughing
But we might assume he did not use Romeo's gutter language.
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neologist
 
  1  
Wed 2 Apr, 2014 11:28 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them to come back to post more stupidity.
As both troll and troll feeder, I hang my head in shame. It's a pathological compulsion and I beg your forgiveness, oh furry faced one.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 Apr, 2014 04:19 am
@Olivier5,
see next post
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