Atheism

Of course there is a way to know for certain that God created the world.

If God appeared in the sky and told us that he was the creator, for example... that would do it for most of us.

If there is no GOD...no atheist can know that. There is no way for an atheist to KNOW there are no gods. But there are conceivable ways for a theist to know there is a GOD.

But there are conceivable ways for a theist to know there is a GOD.

As you've said over and over again frank. We get it. And it contributes nothing. Thanks.

Frank,

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But there are conceivable ways for a theist to know there is a GOD.

How? Please provide real evidence, not emotional mumbo jumbo.

And which god are you talking about? The christian god, the muslim god, the buddhist god, the Sikh god, the sun god, the king gods, the animal gods, the hindu gods, jain god, shinto god, confucian god, or taoism?

How about all those Greek gods? Aphrodite, Apollo, Venus, Zeus, Leto, Artemis, Athena, Demeter, and a whole slew of them.

Let's hear your "conceivable ways they know there is a god?"

There's a whole bunch of "if's" there, Frank. How about your "conceivable ways they know there is a god?"

There's no "if" there!

At this point, it's a rhetorical question, Frank. All the sneers and name calling on your part won't change that you've made a claim which you cannot know.

That's the kind of sneering, hateful response which we all expect from you Frank. I sleep fine, every night. You come stomping into this thread, and many others like it, to tell people what they can and cannot know--but, in fact, it's often a glaringly obvious case of you not knowing, as was this example. You're pathetic, and you're not very bright at all.

But there are conceivable ways for a theist to know there is a GOD.

You didn't say "It is conceivable...." You said,

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But there are conceivable ways for a theist to know there is a GOD.

"There are conceivable ways..." BIG DIFFERENCE.

IF there is a GOD...and IF the GOD wanted to reveal itself to humanity... ...I have no doubt that the GOD could do it.

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IF there is a GOD...and IF the GOD wanted to reveal itself to humanity... ...I have no doubt that the GOD could do it.

On the other hand, a person might think, "I must be dreaming, or delusional", and therefor be unconvinced.

Or a theist might think, "That's not the God I believe in, it must be Satan or some Demon pretending to be God", and therefor be unconvinced.

Or a scientist might think, "This must be a natural phenomena of some kind, maybe a super high-tech alien race simply posing as a deity", and therefor be unconvinced.

I think being "convinced" is something you choose for yourself, not something which can be forced into you. Some people are easily convinced of things, and others aren't.

I grant you that a giant flying spaghetti monster floating in the sky ripping up buildings and yelling "I am God!" might be pretty convincing, but none the less, there are always going to be some who are unconvinced.

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