coldjoint
 
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Sun 17 Nov, 2013 12:02 pm
@panzade,
Quote:
One thing I've learned. you have a sense of humour.
Thank God.


Of course I do. I am here aren't I?
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panzade
 
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Sun 17 Nov, 2013 02:46 pm
OK. So far so good...

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1460209_432200250235249_486393449_n.jpg
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sun 17 Nov, 2013 02:52 pm
@panzade,
We've all got FREE WILL whether to sin or not..Smile
And think of Jesus as a "lightning rod" who took the bullet for us by soaking up all the bad vibes of the world to give us a clean fresh start..Smile
spendius
 
  2  
Sun 17 Nov, 2013 04:09 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
It might interest you Romeo that the central porch of the Notre-Dame de Reims (Our Lady of Reims), built sometime in 14th and 15th centuries, is dedicated to the Virgin Mary.

That represents a change of emphasis in Christian culture of the higher sort. The Madonna and Child became the principle icon of the Church. Jesus was a Magian.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sun 17 Nov, 2013 04:38 pm
Spendius said: "It might interest you Romeo that the central porch of the Notre-Dame de Reims (Our Lady of Reims), built sometime in 14th and 15th centuries, is dedicated to the Virgin Mary.
That represents a change of emphasis in Christian culture of the higher sort. The Madonna and Child became the principle icon of the Church. Jesus was a Magian"
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I'm not sure what you're getting at mate but I don't give a rat's ass about what catholics or any other organised religion or cult think, so if they want to make fools of themselves praying to Jesus's mum that's zilch to do with me..Smile
As for your claim that JC was a magician, yes he was in a way and was almost as big as David Blaine, but I prefer to think of Jesus as a "Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation", able to bend this dream we call reality to produce what seemed like "miracles" to people.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.'' - Albert Einstein
"Strawberry Fields, nothing is real" (The Beatles)
"We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep.." (The Tempest)
"You can be in my dream if I can be in your dream" (Bob Dylan)
"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream"- Edgar Allen Poe
"What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14)
"There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition"- Rod Serling
"The Matrix is everywhere. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
You are a slave, like everyone else you were born into bondage into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.
I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"- Morpheus in The Matrix


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/matrix.jpg
spendius
 
  0  
Sun 17 Nov, 2013 05:59 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
I'm not sure what you're getting at mate but I don't give a rat's ass about what catholics or any other organised religion or cult think, so if they want to make fools of themselves praying to Jesus's mum that's zilch to do with me.


No--that isn't the meaning. That's a teleology of yours concocted to give you an easy ride.

When Dylan got older he said that he didn't pay any mind to his dreams. Einstein had never been nailed to a cross. The Beatles needed a half-rhyme such was their hurry.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sun 17 Nov, 2013 06:46 pm
Romeo said: "I'm not sure what you're getting at mate but I don't give a rat's ass about what catholics or any other organised religion or cult think, so if they want to make fools of themselves praying to Jesus's mum that's zilch to do with me"

Spendius replied: "No--that isn't the meaning. That's a teleology of yours concocted to give you an easy ride"
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Now what you on about mate? And hey what are you anyway, a catholic, jew, satanist, cultist etc or are you a girly wallflower too shy to say?
I haven't got the time or inclination to join in your pointless dancing "round and round the mulberry bush philo-babble wordgames", we holy men don't dance..Smile
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune (Matt 11:16/17)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/morris.jpg
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neologist
 
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Sun 17 Nov, 2013 07:15 pm
@panzade,
You know that's a straw man, right?
panzade
 
  1  
Sun 17 Nov, 2013 07:47 pm
@neologist,
Yes
neologist
 
  1  
Sun 17 Nov, 2013 10:06 pm
@panzade,
OK. Now we can have fun
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Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 11:25 am
A few years ago the owner of a military history website announced that he wouldn't be able to tend it much from now on because his wife was seriously ill and needed a heart-lung transplant.
So I said to him "I know a few Christian groups, would you like me to ask them to say prayers for her?", but he replied "No thanks, she's got people around her looking after her".
Perhaps he was an atheist or just a lousy hub, I don't know, but I wonder if most atheists in his position would turn down prayer help?

In another different forum once , one guy was an atheist and was saying the usual stuff about christians being hypocrites blah blah, so i said to him "Mate, you mentioned your daughter would love a pony, so can me and a christian group send you a £100 (150 USdollars) donation to help you get one for her?"
But he gave a waffly non-committal reply without saying yes or no, so I said "Okay, but just let us know anytime if you want the cash and we'll send it to you".
That was 5 years ago but he still hasn't replied.
Is he a lousy dad or what?
Would other atheists have accepted the cash?
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 11:53 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

A few years ago the owner of a military history website announced that he wouldn't be able to tend it much from now on because his wife was seriously ill and needed a heart-lung transplant.
So I said to him "I know a few Christian groups, would you like me to ask them to say prayers for her?", but he replied "No thanks, she's got people around her looking after her".
Perhaps he was an atheist or just a lousy hub, I don't know, but I wonder if most atheists in his position would turn down prayer help?


Well...I am not an atheist, but I am a non-theist...so my response might be appropriate, Romeo.

I have no idea why a Christian would ask such a question. At best, it sounds bizarre; at worst, insulting.

It would be like an non-theist asking, "Would you like us to hope she gets better?"

Hope (call it pray, if you want) or don't hope...or even hope for the death rather than recovery. But to ask the question is bizarre.

Quote:

In another different forum once , one guy was an atheist and was saying the usual stuff about christians being hypocrites blah blah, so i said to him "Mate, you mentioned your daughter would love a pony, so can me and a christian group send you a £100 (150 USdollars) donation to help you get one for her?"
But he gave a waffly non-committal reply without saying yes or no, so I said "Okay, but just let us know anytime if you want the cash and we'll send it to you".
That was 5 years ago but he still hasn't replied.
Is he a lousy dad or what?
Would other atheists have accepted the cash?


I think many Christians are hypocrites...and blah, blah, blah. I would like a pony. Send me the 100 quid. If you promise you will, I'll send you my address by PM.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 11:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
My guess, by the way, is that some Christians are such hypocrites, they would not send the money anyway.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 20 Nov, 2013 01:53 pm
1- Re "prayer", think of it as "thought-pressure" that bends this dream we call "reality".
As i've speculated before, Jesus was a "Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation", seemingly able to bend the rigid laws of physics to produce what looked like miracles.

2- If a cause is just and right, christians are glad to support it, for example much cash donated by the public to the Big Charities finds its way into the pockets of the charity bosses, Al-Qaeda and Somali warlords etc, so most christians prefer instead to donate only to smaller trustworthy charities such as local homeless or disabled groups in their own cities, or to people they know all about.
I know christians who never leave the house without extra cash in their pockets to dish out to beggars and the homeless in the street.

But if an unknown golfer in Florida or wherever was to ask for a handout to buy himself or his kids a pony, no christians would be mug enough to donate in case he splashed it out on a new set of clubs..Wink
hingehead
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 02:52 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
There's no way I'd want you to know my bank account details or address, or where my daughter lives. Your definition of bad father says a gobful about you.

As for the prayer guy, he was just being polite. He had a voodoo following friend who offered sacrificing a chicken too; he gave the same answer.
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hingehead
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:00 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Does your anus ever get sore from talking through it

Quote:
2- If a cause is just and right, christians are glad to support it, for example much cash donated by the public to the Big Charities finds its way into the pockets of the charity bosses, Al-Qaeda and Somali warlords etc, so most christians prefer instead to donate only to smaller trustworthy charities such as local homeless or disabled groups in their own cities, or to people they know all about.


http://www.forbes.com/top-charities/list/

Do you ever fact check yourself, or stop and think before you extrapolate a personal anecdote into a universal truth?

Don't answer that.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:30 pm
There was a huge scandal a while back when it was discovered a big chunk of Bob Geldof's Charity Aid cash had been siphoned off by Ethiopian warlords, and only recently this was a news headline-

Top charities give £200,000 to group which supported al-Qaeda cleric
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8114913/Top-charities-give-200000-to-group-which-supported-al-Qaeda-cleric.html

And Frederick Forsyth (author of 'Day of the Jackal') just wrote this piece in the Brit Daily Express titled "How exactly did Arafat get so rich?" suggesting he siphoned off aid cash-
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/443145/So-exactly-how-did-Yasser-Arafat-get-so-rich

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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:31 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

1- Re "prayer", think of it as "thought-pressure" that bends this dream we call "reality".
As i've speculated before, Jesus was a "Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation", seemingly able to bend the rigid laws of physics to produce what looked like miracles.

2- If a cause is just and right, christians are glad to support it, for example much cash donated by the public to the Big Charities finds its way into the pockets of the charity bosses, Al-Qaeda and Somali warlords etc, so most christians prefer instead to donate only to smaller trustworthy charities such as local homeless or disabled groups in their own cities, or to people they know all about.
I know christians who never leave the house without extra cash in their pockets to dish out to beggars and the homeless in the street.

But if an unknown golfer in Florida or wherever was to ask for a handout to buy himself or his kids a pony, no christians would be mug enough to donate in case he splashed it out on a new set of clubs..Wink



Yeah...all talk and no action.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Who'd you rather christians gave cash to mate, to you or to something like a sick kids charity?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:44 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Who'd you rather christians gave cash to mate, to you or to something like a sick kids charity?


I knew you would not give any to me...and I wasn't actually expecting any. I also that the guy you mentioned in your original post would never have seen any either.

That entire post was farce...and I was just playing with it.

In any case, do give money to charities that give help to sick kids. That would be a good thing.

 

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