Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:31 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Keep dancing your little dance frank. I directly quoted one of your posts in which you challenge the validity of an assertion on ID by saying that the asserter can only assert ID doesnt exist by 'knowing' god doesn't exist. Do you deny that's an explicit requirement for proof of god's non-existence?


I deny it most emphatically. It can be, if you managed to use your head, offering a case for "It is inappropriate to assert that intelligent design does not exist, because that would put you in the position of having to do so."

I have NEVER asked for proof that gods do not exist...nor have I ever asked for proof that they do.

I have on many occasions mentioned that I think asking for proof of such a thing is wrong-headed...and that it makes some sense to ask for the evidence that brought the asserter to that assertion.

You charged me with asking for proof...many, many times.

I told you I have never done so.

Now you are trying to make me wrong.

That cannot be made much clearer.

Romeo Fabulini
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:31 am
Hingehead said:
Quote:
Then I'd employ the best. Religion doesn't come into it

But what if the christian and the atheist BOTH seem to be the best, with excellent qualifications and a nice manner at the interview?
There are a lot of bad lazy corrupt selfish employees out there, so you owe it to yourself and your family not to employ a dickhead..Smile
(I know there are some dickhead so-called "christians" out there but they're in a minority.)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:33 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

HERALD, Id like to continue the discussion that we are at loggerheads about (How do we establish BULK dat for things like Atmospheric gases--its quite simple really).
However, I feel that Ive pissed off the inmates here. If you start a thread Ill join in.
Frank, Im done with you, your attitude of having stumbled over some precious pice of inanity aint worth discussing further. My position is established and if you have trouble understanding , don't just keep repeating your bumper sticker as if its something you've derived. Your whole point has been the center of the various state proposals and court cases, you've found nothing that we don't already know. DO YOU EVEN GET THAT POINT?
As far as "ID is the way a god would proceed" is as silly as arguing that ID is a valid scientific pursuit. I leave you (again) having been ucked into trying to talk sense to you and being dismissed for it. You need some education on ID and its framework from 1802 to present. Its fascinating if you take some time.

As for the rest of you, I ask sincerely . IS it too hard to talk around someone or can you only maintain one thought in your brain?

You are giving atheism bad rap by not being inclusive.
OK IM GONE.


I see...you have no problem digressing from the supposed purpose of this thread with Herald...but you do not want to with me.

I don't blame you. Herald gives you easy pickings...but what I am saying is bit more difficult for you to deal with.
timur
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:39 am
Spendius wrote:
It escapes me what it was tim.


Here is what it was:
Quote:
Before God gave Adam a wife He commanded him, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen. 2:16-17).
Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:53 am
@edgarblythe,
Yeah, it is kind of crowded in here with all the bullshitters. Thanks for responding. I've had some personality conflicts a few times with people who didn't like that i'm an atheists, and even one guy who was enraged. I have never, however, had to worry about keeping my job on that basis.
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spendius
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 07:54 am
@timur,
I remain uncomprehending tim.

That was written for another time and place which we know very little about. It is profoundly ambiguous.

"I'm gonna have to go to college
'Cause you are the book of knowledge Rita May."

Bob Dylan
timur
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:04 am
@spendius,
Spendius wrote:
That was written for another time and place which we know very little about.
Then, explain me why are christians so eager to shove it down my throat, now?

and wrote:
It is profoundly ambiguous.
As is the whole bible..
farmerman
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Your poition is without any meat Frank. Of course theres nothing I can dispute because, as I said, no ones EVER disagreedwith the statement. However, having said that Where the **** do you go for a second act?

I believe that you, like spendi,are impressed with his own postings (for no apparent reason)
When you don't understand something your next immediate response is something like "I thought you were smarter". That a tipoff that you've reached the end of your ability


Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:30 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Your poition is without any meat Frank. Of course theres nothing I can dispute because, as I said, no ones EVER disagreedwith the statement. However, having said that Where the **** do you go for a second act?

I believe that you, like spendi,are impressed with his own postings (for no apparent reason)
When you don't understand something your next immediate response is something like "I thought you were smarter". That a tipoff that you've reached the end of your ability


I almost hesitate to call this to your attention, Farmerman, but that is exactly what you are doing...suggesting that both Spendius and I have reached "the end of our ability."

In any case, apparently you are saying that intelligent design is not impossible. So we are in agreement.

You seem also, however, to be saying that "evolution" CANNOT be the intelligent design. There we disagree.

The reason you have such a negative reaction to the argument being presented is not because it is vacuous or inane, Farmerman. It disturbs you for some other reason.

Have you ever wondered what that is?

spendius
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:33 am
@timur,
Quote:
Then, explain me why are christians so eager to shove it down my throat, now?


Ask the ones who are eager to do that. Perhaps they think it might do you some good as an intellectual version of cod liver oil.

It seems that a lot of atheists cannot read the Bible because of their negative attitude towards it. It's a great shame really.
spendius
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I almost hesitate to call this to your attention, Farmerman, but that is exactly what you are doing...suggesting that both Spendius and I have reached "the end of our ability."


I've hardly started on mine. I'm tip-toeing around in my stockinged feet.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 08:42 am
Wink
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 09:26 am
Spendius said:
Quote:
It seems that a lot of atheists cannot read the Bible because of their negative attitude towards it. It's a great shame really

Yes, I can see a pattern in it, Satan doesn't want them to fearlessly probe , analyse and dissect the Bible in case they discover The Truth, so he's convinced them it's all baloney so they won't waste time on it.
Dawkins is a good example, his brilliant scientific mind is wasted by pooh-poohing the Bible instead of unlocking its secrets.
Fact is, the Bible is simply a chronicle of human close encounters with "aliens" and makes fascinating reading.
Jesus said- "I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (Matt 13:35), but Satan thought "oh no, we can't have that", so he poisoned their minds against Jesus and Christianity, it's what he DOES!

Satan in Gibson's "The Passion"
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panzade
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 10:02 am
@spendius,
Quote:
It seems that a lot of atheists cannot read the Bible because of their negative attitude towards it. It's a great shame really


It seems that a lot of Christians cannot read Darwin's "On The Origin Of Species" because of their negative attitude towards it. It's a great shame really.

An atheist would be likely to say "What's your point?

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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 11:36 am
I sat down to read Dawkins "Climbing Mount Improbable" a few years ago to get an update on the latest scientific evolutionary thinking, but was disappointed to say the least, as it was full of holes, speculations, missing links, guesses and hunches.
I suppose that's why it's only called the THEORY of Evolution and not the FACT of Evolution..Wink
I wrote to Dawks to express my disappointment and he wrote back saying- "of course it's full of missing links!" as if that was perfectly normal!

PS-most modern christians share Senator John McCains view- "I believe in evolution, but when I hike the Grand Canyon at sunset, I see the hand of God there also", meaning God wrote the "Evolution/Creation Program" and set it running, but still steps in from time to time to tweak it and keep it on track.
Maybe that's what Jesus meant when he said- "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 01:05 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I sat down to read Dawkins "Climbing Mount Improbable" a few years ago to get an update on the latest scientific evolutionary thinking, but was disappointed to say the least, as it was full of holes, speculations, missing links, guesses and hunches.
I suppose that's why it's only called the THEORY of Evolution and not the FACT of Evolution..Wink
I wrote to Dawks to express my disappointment and he wrote back saying- "of course it's full of missing links!" as if that was perfectly normal!

PS-most modern christians share Senator John McCains view- "I believe in evolution, but when I hike the Grand Canyon at sunset, I see the hand of God there also", meaning God wrote the "Evolution/Creation Program" and set it running, but still steps in from time to time to tweak it and keep it on track.
Maybe that's what Jesus meant when he said- "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)
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I have been trying to make the point that what we call "evolution" may be the intelligent design of a creator GOD. We do not know if it is...or isn't.

For you to assert that it is the work of a GOD is as illogical as any assertions that it cannot be the work of a GOD.

There may be a GOD...there may be no gods.

I don't know which it is...and I doubt any of you know either.

So we can guess one way or the other...but we should have the spine and sense of intellectual pride to acknowledge that all we are doing is making a guess.

(Okay, I'm finished for now. Bring on the Easter Bunny; the tooth fairy; unicorns; and the orange juice moon.)
panzade
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 01:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I can't argue with that Frank..no siree.
That's why I belong to the sect of the indifferent.
I could care less either way.
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neologist
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 01:29 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Okay here's a question for atheists-
Suppose you were the boss of a small business (convenience store for example) and there was a job vacancy. Two people apply for it, one is a christian, the other is an atheist. They both seem to be decent nice people with exactly the same qualifications, so which one would you hire?
Bearing in mind that Christians put other people before themselves, you'll know for sure that the Christian guy will never let you down, he'll always turn up on time, will never sneak days off, will never turn up drunk or stoned and will work his guts out to help your business do well, will be friendly and great with customers and fellow workers, will never keep pestering you for a raise, and will do overtime whenever you ask him, and will regard you as a friend rather than a boss.
Of course, an atheist might be just as good, but can you take the chance to find out? So who would you hire?
Actually, Romeo, you should know that professed christianity is no guarantee of moral integrity. No religion is free from guilt; but christendom leads the pack in the shedding of innocent blood.Could irrational belief in immortality have something to do with it? I for one, would question the stability of one who weighed his behavior against the reward of heavenly bliss or the damnation of eternal fire.

Most non believers, IMO, are benevolent and base their personalities on a sense of empathy rooted in a social contract or enlightened self interest. This is, no doubt, why Paul was inspired to write at Romans 2: 14-15  For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts,

The key to high moral standards lies in the individual as he or she responds to that sense of empathy, that inner voice, whether learned or innate, regardless of hope for reward or desire for license. If only high moral standards were all that is needed to prevent our stunning mistakes in judgement.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 01:30 pm
For the time being, I am safe from further probing into my thoughts, re religion, on my job. Apparently the lead guy has not seen fit to blab to the boss. But it could be a smoldering stink bomb for the future.
Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Nov, 2013 01:32 pm
Well, i'm glad it's OK for the time being, at least.
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