hingehead
 
  4  
Tue 21 May, 2013 10:32 pm
Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

Source
An atheist state lawmaker tasked with delivering the opening prayer for this afternoon's session of the House of Representatives asked that people not bow their heads.

Democratic Representative Juan Mendez, of Tempe, instead spoke about his "secular humanist tradition" and even quoted author Carl Sagan.

"Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads," Mendez said. "I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state."

As you can imagine -- especially now, with Arizona's legislature being controlled by religion-heavy Republicans -- this is probably the first time that an invocation at the legislature took that direction.

"This is a room in which there are many challenging debates, many moments of tension, of ideological division, of frustration," Mendez said. "But this is also a room where, as my secular humanist tradition stresses, by the very fact of being human, we have much more in common than we have differences. We share the same spectrum of potential for care, for compassion, for fear, for joy, for love.

Mendez continued, "Carl Sagan once wrote, 'For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.'"

There certainly aren't many openly atheist politicians across the country, let alone folks bringing their lack of belief in God and/or gods to prayer time. You may remember some controversy about Democratic Congressman Kyrsten Sinema, who has been described as the only atheist in Congress, even though she rejects the label of "atheist." (Perhaps it's a coincidence, but many of Mendez's constituents also call Sinema their Congresswoman.)

Mendez, in addition to his God-free invocation, also introduced members of the Secular Coalition for Arizona, sitting in the House gallery. One of the members said she was "witnessing history."

After the invocation, Mendez called himself one of just one of 1.3 million Arizonans not affiliated with a religious tradition or organization.

"I hope today marks the beginning of a new era in which Arizona's non believers can feel as welcome and valued here as believers," he said.
FBM
 
  2  
Wed 22 May, 2013 12:14 am
@hingehead,
Far out.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Wed 22 May, 2013 03:59 am
Jefferson's "wall of separation" has been tolerably low, low enough to step across. It's good to see someone who doesn't feel compelled to ignore it.
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 22 May, 2013 04:00 am
@hingehead,
It's one way of raising your public profile without breaking sweat.

Remember Charles Bradlaugh. Darwin refused to give evidence on his behalf.
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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 22 May, 2013 04:22 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

Source
An atheist state lawmaker tasked with delivering the opening prayer for this afternoon's session of the House of Representatives asked that people not bow their heads.

Democratic Representative Juan Mendez, of Tempe, instead spoke about his "secular humanist tradition" and even quoted author Carl Sagan.

"Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads," Mendez said. "I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state."

As you can imagine -- especially now, with Arizona's legislature being controlled by religion-heavy Republicans -- this is probably the first time that an invocation at the legislature took that direction.

"This is a room in which there are many challenging debates, many moments of tension, of ideological division, of frustration," Mendez said. "But this is also a room where, as my secular humanist tradition stresses, by the very fact of being human, we have much more in common than we have differences. We share the same spectrum of potential for care, for compassion, for fear, for joy, for love.

Mendez continued, "Carl Sagan once wrote, 'For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.'"

There certainly aren't many openly atheist politicians across the country, let alone folks bringing their lack of belief in God and/or gods to prayer time. You may remember some controversy about Democratic Congressman Kyrsten Sinema, who has been described as the only atheist in Congress, even though she rejects the label of "atheist." (Perhaps it's a coincidence, but many of Mendez's constituents also call Sinema their Congresswoman.)

Mendez, in addition to his God-free invocation, also introduced members of the Secular Coalition for Arizona, sitting in the House gallery. One of the members said she was "witnessing history."

After the invocation, Mendez called himself one of just one of 1.3 million Arizonans not affiliated with a religious tradition or organization.

"I hope today marks the beginning of a new era in which Arizona's non believers can feel as welcome and valued here as believers," he said.


Thanks for this, Hingehead.

This is a guy with balls.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 11:12 am
It seems that Richard Dawkins has a new hero?

spendius
 
  0  
Mon 27 May, 2013 11:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
This is a guy with balls.


That is a guy with a smooth patter and an eye for the main chance. Only a babe in arms would take that blubbering seriously.
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 11:43 am
@reasoning logic,
It's about buying wood pulp at 2 cents a pound and selling it for 10.
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 11:44 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Only a babe in arms would take that blubbering seriously.


Then why even respond? Why take it to be reality spendius?
spendius
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 11:49 am
@reasoning logic,
I don't.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 12:44 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Then why even respond? Why take it to be reality spendius?


Quote:
I don't.

You don't what? Respond to it as if it were reality?
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 27 May, 2013 06:10 pm
Other atheists around the world.

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spendius
 
  1  
Mon 3 Jun, 2013 05:11 pm
Going back to the Atheists/Foxholes stunt, it seems that the EPA has been handing out publicised awards to a figment of the imagination on the part of those who get a buzz out of handing out awards.

Agnostics of the world--unite. Don't trust your eyes. They only provide evidence when you want them to.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 3 Jun, 2013 07:00 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Going back to the Atheists/Foxholes stunt, it seems that the EPA has been handing out publicised awards to a figment of the imagination on the part of those who get a buzz out of handing out awards.

Agnostics of the world--unite. Don't trust your eyes. They only provide evidence when you want them to.


Very often...not even then!
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Thu 6 Jun, 2013 02:07 pm
A neighboring town of mine will be the first in the nation to have an atheist monument. I plan to be there and wonder if any of you will be.

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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Jun, 2013 06:09 pm
During an announcement of the signing of the so-called “Merry Christmas Bill,” Texas Gov. Rick Perry and state Senator Robert Nichols (R-Jacksonville) said Thursday that freedom from religion was not included in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

“I’m proud we are standing up for religious freedom in our state,” Perry said. “Freedom of religion doesn’t mean freedom from religion.”

The new law states that students and school officials have the right to use religious greetings like “Merry Christmas” and display various religious holiday symbols on school grounds.


“I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said the price of liberty is eternal vigilance,” Nichols remarked. “One of those freedoms is the freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and as the governor was saying the Constitution refers to the freedom of religion, not the freedom from religion.”

“So, challenges to these freedoms that we enjoy can come in a lot of different ways,” the state senator continued. “They can come in very large ways like the war on terror or our freedoms can be taken away in small ways like the removal of a Christmas tree from a classroom.”

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hingehead
 
  2  
Tue 25 Jun, 2013 01:51 am
I has an odd chat to a Doctor I like a lot today - he was talking about how a bowel resection wasn't a big deal because the 'Fellow upstairs' knew we'd get cancer there so gave us plenty of spare bowel.

I was so gobsmacked I could only smile dumbly. That sort of editing always amazes me. God was nice enough to give us extra bowel for the cancer he also gave us, but didn't give us three testicles in case one of those got cancer, or an extra throat. Of course his bowel gift was meaningless until we develop surgical techniques, anaesthesia and sterilization (and enough nouse to discover bacteria and what they'll do to open wounds).

Like I said, he's personable, bright, friendly it wasn't too hard to refrain from pointing at what an odd God he has. Not unlike Corn God's whimsical priorities.

http://amultiverse.com/files/comics/2013-04-17-The-Corn-God.jpg
spendius
 
  0  
Tue 25 Jun, 2013 01:40 pm
@hingehead,
Smiling dumbly is not a reserved space.

One might as well ask why God bothered with any of it.

What sort of creation could continue without the will to life which every organism has. It is the will to life which causes discrimination and hatred.

If one were to talk as hinge does as if God does exist the choice He had was between no life and a life with a will to power. Look under any mature chestnut tree and see the hatred and discrimination. The idyllic rural scenes, so popular as they are, are actually killing fields. Even the weeds can choke the grass.

It is not only naive to hold God responsible for hatred and discrimination but ridiculous.

And choosing that doctor's possibly ironic remark as the text of the day doubly so.

In 4 billion years of life the hatred and discrimination went unchecked and it is only in the last blink of an eye in evolutionary terms that the invention of God has provided the possibility of melioration. And a very fragile possibility it is due to the strength of all that mass of biological heritage.

Every Darwinian cliche is a powerful argument for God. I think Darwin knew it but the 1% were too eager to use evolution to justify themselves and, seemingly, without realising that in doing so they were going counter to evolution's variations in using power to maintain power for power's sake. The 1984 idea. And the Brave New World idea. State brewed beer--take it or leave it.

All our food derives from the will to life.

It's embarrassing really, to find oneself in cyber company with someone who addresses an international audience in such a manner. And for no other reason than to justify a rejection of Christian morality for personal considerations which hardly need to be speculated upon.

neologist
 
  2  
Tue 25 Jun, 2013 03:26 pm
@spendius,
Yeah, Spendi. those who lack the intellectual acuity to present a reasonable argument will resort to every sort of childish name calling and jejune straw men. We can only hope the many non posting readers of this thread can see the truth when it shows through.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Tue 25 Jun, 2013 04:32 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Yeah, Spendi. those who lack the intellectual acuity to present a reasonable argument will resort to every sort of childish name calling and jejune straw men. We can only hope the many non posting readers of this thread can see the truth when it shows through.


Whoa...Neo. I like that "childish name calling and jejune straw men."

Good stuff. Wink
 

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