edgarblythe
 
  3  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 10:29 am
I don't think many atheists would push for an all atheist society. What the ones I know of would like to settle for is a civilized society, with a right to choose what to believe, but not a right to force the belief on others who want no part of it. From that point it all depends on which atheist one asks what should or could transpire, the same way it happens for non atheists.
FBM
 
  2  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 10:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi, You really don't know your bible, do you? Here's a clue about sex in the bible.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16546_the-6-raunchiest-most-depraved-sex-acts-from-bible.html


Song of Solomon 5:4, "My beloved put his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him".

Wtf. Laughing They did some kinky stuff back then, too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 10:38 am
@edgarblythe,
I agree; but in the US, citizens are using their religion to push legislation that affects everybody - especially women, gays and lesbians. They can't see their own hypocrisy of trying to control other people's private lives and human equality.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 10:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
I know. They speak of freedom and responsibility while relieving people of those things.
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spendius
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 11:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I agree; but in the US, citizens are using their religion to push legislation that affects everybody - especially women, gays and lesbians. They can't see their own hypocrisy of trying to control other people's private lives and human equality.


You're missing the point. They think sexual promiscuity leads to disruption and degeneration. To a weakening of a capacity to survive in a competitive world.

They don't think promiscuity is wrong for the sake of thinking it wrong. They think it is wrong for practical reasons. And the complexities of the explanation why are such as to making it a moral priority is one of the ways of enforcing it. In fact, today, it's almost the only way except where legislation is possible.

The position can be argued with but any argument in that cause, to be taken seriously, needs must explain how promiscuity is beneficial or, at least, neutral. We are promiscuous if left to ourselves. There are pheromones to consider.

The basic error is individuals thinking what they want rather than what society needs.

"There ain't no room for the hopeless sinner whom would hurt all mankind
Just to save his own" ---People Get Ready.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 12:15 pm
@spendius,
You wrote,
Quote:
They think sexual promiscuity leads to disruption and degeneration


It doesn't matter what they think; what they are doing is very selective in the US only. If they are so concerned, why are they only choosing to discriminate against US citizens only. Isn't that a universal issue?

Or does the bible end with one country or culture?
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 12:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes--the Bible does end with one culture. If others embrace it they join the culture.

Quote:
They don't think promiscuity is wrong for the sake of thinking it wrong.


Right there is your gigantic straw-man. You think that is what they do and it is not the case. You erect the straw-man to avoid having to answer their argument that promiscuity is degenerate and destructive. You glide past with the matter on Ignore. Which is not very scientific now is it?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 21 Apr, 2013 02:14 pm
@spendius,
That's not me quote, spendi! You're lost in your own dung.
hingehead
 
  2  
Tue 7 May, 2013 02:56 pm
http://i.imgur.com/pMwfK7w.jpg
FBM
 
  1  
Tue 7 May, 2013 04:43 pm
@hingehead,
Laughing Cool...
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 7 May, 2013 04:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's not me quote, spendi!


Obviously. That's not something you could ever think of.
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spendius
 
  1  
Tue 7 May, 2013 05:02 pm
@FBM,
Why is it "cool". Writing a sign saying "ATHEISTS IN FOX HOLES" is not atheists in fox holes.

Where was the photo taken? Are the people in it "male models"?

Have either of you ever been in a fox-hole.

I hope you are not armchair fox-holing again.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Tue 7 May, 2013 05:10 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Why is it "cool". Writing a sign saying "ATHEISTS IN FOX HOLES" is not atheists in fox holes.

Where was the photo taken? Are the people in it "male models"?

Have either of you ever been in a fox-hole.

I hope you are not armchair fox-holing again.


Are you suggesting that atheists young in life can not make poor discussions just as believers can?
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Frank Apisa
 
  4  
Tue 7 May, 2013 05:42 pm
It has always seemed to me that the "There are no athesits in foxholes"...can only be confirmation of, "People are religious because they are afraid."

What it seems to be saying is, "You are not as afraid as I am, but if you get into a situation where you are afraid, you will do what I do...have a god."

It seems intended to be a moderate insult of atheists, but turns out to be a moderate insult of theists.

In any case, I am sure there have been many atheists and agnostics in foxholes.
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Tue 7 May, 2013 05:45 pm
Fear cannot change the minds of those who know their minds. Not even death. The foxholes scenario only works on the uncommitted.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 8 May, 2013 04:00 pm
So, is an atheist who, while in a foxhole and being bombarded within an inch of his life, exclaims "God help me!" really a theist?
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Wed 8 May, 2013 04:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
So, is an atheist who, while in a foxhole and being bombarded within an inch of his life, exclaims "God help me!" really a theist?


No, many of us atheist say ironic things at times. If most people worshiped the sun an atheist might call out to the sun as well.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 8 May, 2013 04:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
That would be "atum." Mr. Green
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Wed 8 May, 2013 04:34 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
So, is an atheist who, while in a foxhole and being bombarded within an inch of his life, exclaims "God help me!" really a theist?


No, many of us atheist say ironic things at times. If most people worshiped the sun an atheist might call out to the sun as well.


But that seems to be different than saying something like, "God, it's hot out."

Quote:
If most people worshiped the sun an atheist might call out to the sun as well.


Wouldn't that be calling out to God, though?
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Setanta
 
  3  
Wed 8 May, 2013 04:36 pm
As i've said many times before, hunkering down in a bunker, clutching a rifle and saying: "Oh God, oh God, oh God" doesn't make you religious.
 

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