Atheism

@spendius,

spendius wrote:

What is the atheist position on such censorship.

See here is the same thing you can't seem to understand. Atheism isn't a world view. Not all atheists think a like. Some support censorship and others don't. Atheism isn't dogmatic like religion is. It is a simple answer to the question, do you believe a god or gods exist? If you answer no to that question, then you are an atheist. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

So to remind you, your question is silly. Your understanding of what you are talking about is juvenile to say the least.

There is no moral compass that is universal for all atheists. Because atheism isn't a world view. The reason you can't seem to figure this out, is the problem you have with reality.

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@spendius,

Watered down atheists are one of life's most amusing spectacles.

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@Krumple,

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See here is the same thing you can't seem to understand. Atheism isn't a world view. Not all atheists think a like. Some support censorship and others don't. Atheism isn't dogmatic like religion is. It is a simple answer to the question, do you believe a god or gods exist? If you answer no to that question, then you are an atheist. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

It doesn't indeed. But surely there are consequences. If answering "no" is all there is to it then why all the fuss. I never gave a damn whether Christians thought my exploits with married ladies were disreputable. Let them weep and wring their hands as Federico Fellini's hero in Amarcord suggests. They didn't dare try it which is a good thing as it kept the field clearer of competition. They'll never tame ladies unless they lock them up. And that's not guaranteed to work every time.

The lovely little darlings.

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@Krumple,

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Your understanding of what you are talking about is juvenile to say the least.

Yeah--it must have been real juvenile watching the tape editors scrabble about to avoid the clip being shown again or appear on u-tube.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Pyrrho left no records. What is known of him was mediated by others who may, or may not, have been faithful to him.

Tramps don't organise the sort of life you lead old chap. Cynical theologians are what you need.

It's an important method of social control to allow the awkward squad to entertain the delusion that they think for themselves. It's quite harmless.

For the harmless majority, yes. But theism has quite an extensive and bloody record of being a less-than-harmless club of ol' boys sharing the same afternoon fantasy role-play in the schoolyard...They got guns and knives and IEDs and can hijack commercial airliners to fly them into buildings filled with unsuspecting, innocents!!!!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Krumple and spendi must be having an interesting exchange that only they can understand.

Just trying to keep the dream alive, my friend.

The dream being that someday theists and atheists might agree on something other than the current weather. Puh-hwaa-hwaaa-haaa!!! Wink

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It doesn't indeed. But surely there are consequences. If answering "no" is all there is to it then why all the fuss.

Why all the fuss? Because theists want to impose their will onto society and force people to live in ways that are not right for them. You still can't figure it out can you. You think all atheists think the same. No, I should remind you that they don't. You want and desperately need them to though to support your delusional ideas to make you feel better about your current mindset. How many times need it be mentioned to you before you will realize this fact?

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@spendius,

Central Production Desk at the BBC during the Olympic Games.

Charlie--"Did you see that!!!"
Alastair--"No. What was it?"
Ch.--" a bare twat".
Al.--"What? "Where"
Ch. "I'll spin in back".
Al--"Good lord!!. Get me the DG. Run it again Charlie."
Ch. --Righteo squire."
Al. "Tell me it wasn't on air".
Ch. It was. Last strokes of a gold medal for Team GB. Of course it's gone out."
Al--They can't blame me. I was talking to Jeremy about the synchronised swimming camera sequences. How many copies are there? That's the first thing the DG will ask. I want to be able to assure him that we have dealt with the problem so that he needn't trouble the Home Secretary about it.
Ch.--"I can understand that."
Al--"She must not have been wearing underpanties. Heaven forfend! What have we got of the end of the forward strokes all the way up the course?
DG.--"You wished to speak to me Alastair? What is it? I'm busy with a deputation of puritans concerning the filth we are putting out."
Al.-- "To put it shortly then Sir, we inadvertently, through no fault of our own, broadcast a picture of a lady rower's private parts at the moment of her glorious victory."
DG,--******* **** ****!! My friends in academia will go to town on me about the clip not being in the Highlights Feech which, it goes without saying, is impossible. How many copies are there? What about that new-fangled gizmo which allows our viewers to watch things which are on when they are at work. Have you checked U-Tube?
Al.--My gofer assures me that the record can be expunged.
DG.--"Strip search him before he leaves the building."

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Central Production Desk at the BBC during the Olympic Games.

Charlie--"Did you see that!!!"
Alastair--"No. What was it?"
Ch.--" a bare twat".
Al.--"What? "Where"
Ch. "I'll spin in back".
Al--"Good lord!!. Get me the DG. Run it again Charlie."
Ch. --Righteo squire."
Al. "Tell me it wasn't on air".
Ch. It was. Last strokes of a gold medal for Team GB. Of course it's gone out."
Al--They can't blame me. I was talking to Jeremy about the synchronised swimming camera sequences. How many copies are there? That's the first thing the DG will ask. I want to be able to assure him that we have dealt with the problem so that he needn't trouble the Home Secretary about it.
Ch.--"I can understand that."
Al--"She must not have been wearing underpanties. Heaven forfend! What have we got of the end of the forward strokes all the way up the course?
DG.--"You wished to speak to me Alastair? What is it? I'm busy with a deputation of puritans concerning the filth we are putting out."
Al.-- "To put it shortly then Sir, we inadvertently, through no fault of our own, broadcast a picture of a lady rower's private parts at the moment of her glorious victory."
DG,--******* **** ****!! My friends in academia will go to town on me about the clip not being in the Highlights Feech which, it goes without saying, is impossible. How many copies are there? What about that new-fangled gizmo which allows our viewers to watch things which are on when they are at work. Have you checked U-Tube?
Al.--My gofer assures me that the record can be expunged.
DG.--"Strip search him before he leaves the building."

The funny part about this spend that you can't seem to grasp is that if anyone really wanted to see something sexual all they have to do is use google to do it. There are hundreds of free sex sites and hundreds of thousands of free naked photos. Why you are making a big deal over some accident that happens to reveal sexual parts shows how up tight christians are over sexuality. So what that this happened? You are jumping up and down as if it were a world wide flood. You hate humanity so much that this is so important to you to point out as if it were something bad or horrific.

I bet you would have a heart attack if all her clothes were to have fallen off. That just would have been too much for you to even fathom. Heaven forbid.

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@Krumple,

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Because theists want to impose their will onto society and force people to live in ways that are not right for them.

I just explained, you silly moo, that there is no need to take any notice of them. What's the point of me going to the trouble of explaining a simple point to you in a simple way and you then coming on as if I hadn't.

And what on earth are "ways not right for them"? Who exactly is the "them". You? How about ways not right for long term society. The first taste of any temptation feels right to the tempted at the time. But what if the consequences long term are destructive?

The "them" is a different concept to you and to those with a care for the future. You might say that the Church's care for the future is on the wrong track, a respectable argument, but you are duty bound then to offer your own track which you all studiously avoid doing and try to disguise your disgraceful omission under a smoke-screen of irrelevancies from the past or in other parts of the world.

I think you are frightened of your own track. My posts regarding breech cloths on ladies, slip-sliding or not, have no other purpose than to expose this fear. Their entertainment value is admittedly minimal. At best.

You are pussy-footing around imagining the ridiculous fantasy that if we all became atheists there would be no changes in the world we live in and everything will proceed in the comfortable way it does now while atheists only make up a small minority of the population. The majority being stupid, gullible superstitious gumps.

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@Krumple,

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There are hundreds of free sex sites and hundreds of thousands of free naked photos.

Bless my doggone soul!! A fried of mine in the 70s told me that there were so many such images that he figured that nearly half the women had posed for them. I assume from what you say that it must now be more than half. Google didn't exist in the 70s.

Have you got a link? I'm a bit naive around computers.

BTW--You're missing the point. It is not about the proud display of pudenda power. It is about society's attitude to such displays. And whether atheists support that attitude and, if they do, why.

If they don't there's nothing to be said. The logic then is like the logic of gravity.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You are pussy-footing around imagining the ridiculous fantasy that if we all became atheists there would be no changes in the world we live in and everything will proceed in the comfortable way it does now while atheists only make up a small minority of the population. The majority being stupid, gullible superstitious gumps.

Another strawman. I never said that everything would be peachy if everyone became an atheist. Now did I? No but you want to suggest that I have. You continue to build these strawmen arguments that I never made. It suits you to do so because it is the only thing you can attack or have any chance at defending against. However; I never made them.

The only thing that I look forward to is people being more inquisitive towards things they believe or beliefs that people are trying to impose onto them. To question everything and not leave something out just because it might offend someone one.

Typically when people do this with religion they quickly realize it is nonsense and abandon it. This falls in with other things that people use to manipulate or take advantage of people with. Such as miracle cures or astrology, tarot readings, ect. There are a lot of things that people use to take advantage of others with. So I suggest that people question everything and search for the truth.

I have tried on multiple occasions to point out your incorrect views on atheism but you just continue to ignore it as if nothing had been said. You don't honestly care about truth or else you wouldn't be so ignorant of that fact.

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@spendius,

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The logic then is like the logic of gravity.

Juvenal explained that 2,000 years ago and it wasn't a new idea then. And many an author has warmed to the theme since.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

BTW--You're missing the point. It is not about the proud display of pudenda power. It is about society's attitude to such displays. And whether atheists support that attitude and, if they do, why.

It has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. When are you going to figure this out? Atheism deals with the lack of belief in a god or gods. It has nothing to do with porn. Some atheists think porn is okay and other's don't think it is good for society. So why would you ask a question like that as if they all think a like? It is silly. It goes to show that you follow a mindless dogma that a group of people all should think a like. No, sorry that is not realistic nor reality. You want and hope it would be but it's not.

Are you going to figure this out yet? Probably not.

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@Krumple,

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Another strawman. I never said that everything would be peachy if everyone became an atheist. Now did I? No but you want to suggest that I have. You continue to build these strawmen arguments that I never made. It suits you to do so because it is the only thing you can attack or have any chance at defending against. However; I never made them.

I said it was your duty to describe your track for society if you want us to get off the old one. Because I read your posts with more attention than you read mine I know you have never said that everything would be peachy if everyone became an atheist. So it's you who have a strawman on your hands. I didn't even suggest, or hint, that you had said, or even thought, that everything would be peachy if everyone became an atheist.

I didn't build an argument, let alone continue to, on anything you never said. I know very well how carefully the atheists on the evolution threads, in 9 years, avoided outlining any way forward with atheism whether peachy or otherwise. And the disgraceful omission is always operative on any thread on these matters. There was one exception when farmerman suggested "re-training" camps for believers but he tried to pretend, when he realised his mistake, that he had only been kidding.

You're wriggling Krumpie.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I didn't even suggest, or hint, that you had said, or even thought, that everything would be peachy if everyone became an atheist

Are you sure about that?

spendius wrote:

You are pussy-footing around imagining the ridiculous fantasy that if we all became atheists there would be no changes in the world we live in

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@Krumple,

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Some atheists think porn is okay and other's don't think it is good for society. So why would you ask a question like that as if they all think a like? It is silly.

That's silly. It doesn't matter what or what not some atheists think about porn. The logic, as I said, is like the logic of gravity. The atheist opponents of porn will be swept aside by events. As you pointed out--it's already happening. The images you referred to as being ubiquitous now were illegal 50 years ago. There was jail for being caught with a few postcards from Paris. Well brought up ladies would have fainted at the sight of just one. So what is illegal now might be perfectly legal in another 50 years if secularisation proceeds at its present pace. Women completely de-mystified and not caring about being as well.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

The majority being stupid, gullible superstitious gumps.

Well said.

If I ever find a group of atheists gathering, I'll offer this to them for a t-shirt motto and suggest they credit you.

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@Krumple,

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Are you sure about that?

Positive. Not an iota of doubt.

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@ehBeth,

Credit Bob Beth. He owns the copyright here I imagine.

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