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@Krumple,

These were the questions I asked--

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In which case what is the explanation for them not having an advanced scientific society?

How comes it that modern science grew from a Christian society if Christianity is holding science back?

Do you really think you have answered them?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

These were the questions I asked--

In which case what is the explanation for them not having an advanced scientific society?

How comes it that modern science grew from a Christian society if Christianity is holding science back?

Do you really think you have answered them?

Your question is formed as a non sequitur.

The premise insists that christian society gave rise to modern science.

I object to this premise.

I don't necesarily agree that it was christian society that gave rise to modern science. Just because there were many christian scientists it doesn't mean that christianity was the crux behind the development. It ONLY means some scientists were christian. To attempt to spin any other logic is a non sequitur.

I was attempting to point it out to you that there are clear examples of how christianity has gotten in the way of scientific advancements. Obviously christianity has had a problem with knowledge and those people who seek to obtain knowledge. They murder and detain anyone who would discover truths about reality that conflicted with the dogmatic christian mythology.

So yes I have answered them.

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@Krumple,

You know nothing, obviously, about the good bishop of Brixen, Nicolaus Cusanus, who, reflecting upon the unendingness of God, was led to the Infinitesimal Calculus in 1450. Two centuries later Leibnitz's metaphysical speculations on the divine principle led him to mathematical analysis. Pythagoras also, the supreme scientist of the Classical world, was the founder of a religion. A persecuted one.

Every aspect of your life is dependent on our sort of mathematics, which you have no clue about. And it was Christians who thought it out and your natives in the jungle would be nothing more for ever except insofar as they use our needles for their sewing which, I gather, they traded sex to get off us.

Nothing we have now can come out of exclusive observation of reality.

Don't get carried away because you honour "sums" with the name "math". It is still sums.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You know nothing, obviously, about the good bishop of Brixen, Nicolaus Cusanus, who, reflecting upon the unendingness of God, was led to the Infinitesimal Calculus in 1450. Two centuries later Leibnitz's metaphysical speculations on the divine principle led him to mathematical analysis. Pythagoras also, the supreme scientist of the Classical world, was the founder of a religion. A persecuted one.

Every aspect of your life is dependent on our sort of mathematics, which you have no clue about. And it was Christians who thought it out and your natives in the jungle would be nothing more for ever except insofar as they use our needles for their sewing which, I gather, they traded sex to get off us.

Nothing we have now can come out of exclusive observation of reality.

Don't get carried away because you honour "sums" with the name "math". It is still sums.

Well **** me, holy **** I didn't realize that math = science. I might as well not even bother thinking or reading anything else ever again. You said it all here, nothing else needs to be said ever. All cases are formed from this very thing. Every answer is here. Any time anyone shows up to a2k they should just direct them to this response of yours because it solves every thing. Math is science. ****. Just un-believable how brilliant you are! **** god, worship spendius

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Galileo. The Alexandrian Library.

Blimey!! How many more times are we going to have those old chestnuts re-heated. You don't know a damn thing about either event.

yeah exactly, we should forget about ALL the murdering and crimes against humanity that religion has stirred up. So obnoxious that people keep bringing these things up. Religion does so much good, that we should forget about all these horrible things it has done in the past. The past is the past, let's look forward.

Religion gets a get out of jail free card for making people feel all warm and fuzzy on delusions that they will live for ever if they pick up hatred for gays and lesbians. Oh crap, I did it again, I'm bringing up the past again. Can't bring up 911 or the molestation of alter boys. Because that is all history.

Religion has wiped the slate clean from it's greatness that it provides to humanity and where would we be without it? Animals fighting over ants and fallen fruit. So I guess we all should turn a blind eye to all these horrible acts generated from religious motivations. Just keep living in denial, that is god's way.

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@Krumple,

Come on Krumple - as Homer Simpson said 'Everything looks bad if you remember it.'

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@Krumple,

When the world is peaceful and living in luxury there will be people like you denigrating democracy, and the exporting of it, citing the horrors involved in forcing it up the arses of peoples who tried living some other way and would continue to do with no end in sight and who could not even have invented fizzy drinks.

Civilising the human race is a nasty business but not doing is a great deal worse. Anybody who chickens out on the nasty business is recommending what went on before Christianity.

You might well support the continuation of slavery on the grounds that it took a civil war to get rid of it. Or vote for Hitler because shifting him required a world war.

Where is this hatred of homosexuals? They seem pretty free to do as they please. One outed lesbian is the main presenter of the BBC's coverage of Royal Ascot and of the Olympic Games. A number of cabinet ministers in recent years have been known homosexuals. They have "in your face" parades through the main streets.

What on earth are you talking about? The way they are progressing it won't be long before heterosexuality is classed as a perversion.

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@spendius,

T.S. Eliot said that heterosexuality is pathetic because women are so easy to seduce. And it is difficult to argue with him on that score.

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@spendius,

Two, at least, of the major heresies that were savagely put down, but only after repeated warnings, excluded sex.

Which means that the progress of such heresies would have resulted in the barbaric hordes from the east taking over the Holy Roman Empire and the Red Indian would still be roaming the land on which the USA stands.

Barbarism can't be defeated by a bunch of women at a coffee morning preening their care and compassion.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

When the world is peaceful and living in luxury there will be people like you denigrating democracy, and the exporting of it, citing the horrors involved in forcing it up the arses of peoples who tried living some other way and would continue to do with no end in sight and who could not even have invented fizzy drinks.

Do you even know where I stand on democracy? As far as I can tell it seems there are more people pushing socialism and demonizing democracy these days. I don't think democracy, or capitalism or even socialism for that matter are the problem in today's society. I think we could even have anarchy and things would be okay, if, and only if, people were to abandon superstitions like religion and theology first.

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@Krumple,

I cannot understand why you respond to my posts after what you opined about them in such a revealing manner.

And I cannot understand why you respond to that one in such an idiotic manner.

"I think we could even have anarchy and things would be okay, if, and only if, " Holy smoke!!!

**** would be okay, if, and only if, it consisted of sugar and spice.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I cannot understand why you respond to my posts after what you opined about them in such a revealing manner.

And I cannot understand why you respond to that one in such an idiotic manner.

"I think we could even have anarchy and things would be okay, if, and only if, " Holy smoke!!!

I knew that word would catch you. You are so predictable. Oh which one? anarchy. Yeah not surprised you got worked up on it, because you don't understand the meaning of it. You think it is chaos without any control. Na there is control, it's called self control. Christians wouldn't know what that is because the only way they can have any amount of will power is if it is scared into them. A little bit of anarchy now and then is a good thing, it reveals who the actual good people are. Christians wouldn't know what being a good person is.

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@Krumple,

Gee! I can't respond to a post now without being accused of getting worked up.

The "if" would loom as large as an ocean liner to a herring to anybody who can read. I can't see how anarchy in a population of 310 million would inculcate self control better than Christian morality does. If self control was easy to achieve in such a group then there is no need for the laws.

Superstition is impossible to eradicate without some form of mind control by exterior agencies. The point about theology is that it is an attempt to channel superstition into useful avenues and divert those which are damaging.

It doesn't cop out and throw up its arms in an indignant flounce accompanied by an "oh--if only there was no superstition." It starts with the facts.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some are more prone than others, but why not masturbation and gambling in human genes?

Don't know if it is or isn't, but afaik, not all behaviors need have genetic encoding. That would require a HUGE set of chromosomes. Masturbation can be explained simply by the facts that a) it's physically possible and b) it feels good (like believing in a benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent diety who will reward you with eternal bliss). Now, the rise in hormones at puberty, sure.

Gambling may be too new of a behavior to have a genetic mutation as an explanation. Surfing the web certainly is.

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I don't agree but who am I to pick a fight with Samuel Clemens

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@hingehead,

We still have fools in this world, and even Barnham said "there's a sucker born every minute."

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@hingehead,

In which case the historical record, from a scientific point of view, shows that the human race is composed of con men and fools.

Clemens was a classic example of combining the roles.

The corollary being that atheists are honest and wise and you can't get much more devious and stupid than that.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some are more prone than others, but why not masturbation and gambling in human genes?

Don't know if it is or isn't, but afaik, not all behaviors need have genetic encoding. That would require a HUGE set of chromosomes. Masturbation can be explained simply by the facts that a) it's physically possible and b) it feels good (like believing in a benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent diety who will reward you with eternal bliss). Now, the rise in hormones at puberty, sure.

Gambling may be too new of a behavior to have a genetic mutation as an explanation. Surfing the web certainly is.

If you perceive gambling as taking risk behaviour for exceptional rewarding then it is possible to establish a genetic background that goes far back...

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