Atheism

Well because there was a revival of christianity that became a radical form. Modern christianity despises science because of it's current dogmatic selected views. Where as prior to this revival there wasn't such a harsh clash against science.

However; it still could be debated. One great example of how christianity tries to hold back scientific progress is Galileo. He was tried by the inquisition and was forced to recant his statements about the earth not being the center of the solar system. He was placed on house arrest for the rest of his life. There is no telling what he would have revealed to the world had he not been placed under scrutiny by the church. A true crime against humanity that christianity has not stood accountable for.

I completely understand that you are a moron, but no, they are not gods.

Your ad hominem only shows how stupid you are; rather than a response with some intelligence in it to challenge what I said.

How old are you? Ten?

If anyone here is the moron, it's you. C.I. is saying that others believe that, not that he believes it himself.

Putz

Thanks, Set. But we all know that when anyone starts using ad hominems rather than addressing what was said, they're not too bright. Kiddish stuff.

It's not an ad hom when it is true.

Another great example of how christianity damaged and set science back is the destruction of the library of Alexandria. Not only that but these christians that burned down the library also murdered some of it's patrons. Oh the bishop that lead the attacks was commended and praised for these criminal acts against humanity.

You didn't establish the "truth" of any proposition.



Source at Wikipedia

If you demonstrate that someone's proposition is unfounded, or that they have made a factually incorrect statement, and then you call them names, you are being a dick, but you are not fallacious. However, when you just call them names, and don't address the substance of their claim, you're not just being a dick, you're being a fallacious dick.

See here is the disconnect. You take a few minutes and come to this spot where they talk about spirits. But you didn't take into consideration that there is a translation involved did you? No you just take your western over charged definition of spirit and then make a huge leap to calling it a god. You did it, they didn't. You didn't bother to study any further to see how they interpret these things or what they mean to them as a people now did you? No, it is obviously you didn't bother.

You went like this, spirit > god > therefore they worship gods. This is what makes you a moron and since you clearly didn't bother to do any investigation or study of the subject other than say maybe a five minute wiki search. It is a waste of time to discuss this topic with you. Your motive was clear. You proposed a claim that was obviously flawed and when it was presented to you, you tried to make a huge leap of logic to go from spirit to that of equaling a god.

Did you bother to see how they interact with these "spiritis" or what they think of them when they are not seen? No. Or you would have understood that they are in no way the equivalent of gods.

So I'm a dick. Don't care.

Oh yeah, that's been obvious for a long time. You haven't dealt in any "truths," you've just been lashing out at people.

Na, I started with truths but when morons keep blindly saying nonsense in response the need to write paragraphs on how they are being silly is becoming a wear. You should know quite well Sentanta how you continue to spread absolute nonsense all over this site and how people just end up ignoring you because they realize educating you is impossible just like your teachers discovered.

Here, Krumple, prove both; "spirit and god."

Or better still, prove their difference?

I'll repeat from that Wiki article,

How is that different from spirit or god?

Once again, you haven't established any truths. Saying vicious things about me doesn't change that. I guess your quiver is empty, because that's all you've been doing for a while now.

For the second time.

"So the first thing I had to do was study and learn the language of the Pirahã. You can’t study the language of any group unless you also understand their culture and how the language comes out of their values and beliefs and the things that are most meaningful to them."

"So I gave them my testimony and I told them about my stepmother committing suicide. When I got done telling them, they all burst out laughing, and I said, “What are you laughing about?” I was really hurt. “Why are you laughing?” They said, “We don’t kill ourselves. You people kill yourselves? What is this?”"

"I realized they don’t have a word for worry, they don’t have any concept of depression, they don’t have any schizophrenia or a lot of the mental health problems,"

"I couldn’t wait to hear what the Pirahã creation myth was, so I asked them: “What was the world like long ago, before there were Pirahã? Who made the trees and who made the water?” The guy just looked at me and said, “What?” I repeated, “Who made the trees and who made the water?” He answered, “Nobody made the trees and nobody made the water; they’re just trees and they’re water.”"

"I said, “But you know, a long time ago, when there weren’t any trees.” He said, “You saw a time when there were no trees?” I said, “No, no, but didn’t your fathers . . .” He said, “No. “We don’t talk about that. No, the trees were always here and the water was always here, unless you know that they weren’t.”"

"So I thought, well, maybe this guy’s just some unusual person; I’ll find somebody else. And so I worked with person after person in the village, and no one could tell me about a creation myth. I finally found one guy who started telling me about the creation. He told me, “Long ago, there was a big spirit, and he is our heavenly spirit, he’s the up-high spirit. And he had another spirit that worked for him, sort of like his son. And he sent him off, and he told him to create things and live on earth.”"

"I said, “Hey, I’m in business now, I’m finding the right story.” But it turned out that this guy had been the translation helper for the previous missionaries and was telling me back what I wanted to hear."

"I told some anthropologists that I thought this is “the first group that I know of that doesn’t have a creation myth.” I think there are others. In fact, I think a lot of the things I said about the Pirahã will turn out to be in other groups as well."

"If you ask them about God, they don’t understand it, even when you translate it."

"For the Pirahã, here’s a very interesting view of the universe. I looked at the ground, and I got the word for ground, “bigí,” and I got the words for “The ground is wet,” the phrase, “Bigí xihoíi.” I looked up at the sky, and I asked the Pirahã, “What’s that called?” “Bigí.” Um. It sounded like the word for ground, and it turned out that it was the same word. And cloudy sky is “Bigí xihoíi,” just like wet ground."

"For the Pirahã, the universe is layered, and we happen to live in this biosphere that’s bounded by the sky and the ground, which are just both barriers, so they’re both called “bigí.” There could be entities above that, but they wouldn’t be supernatural entities; they would be entities like us but maybe with different characteristics of some sort. And there could be entities below that. But the Pirahã don’t worry much about that, because they live where they’re at now."

"In fact, I began to realize that not only do they not have creation myths, they have the simplest kinship system known. They just have a word for “generation above,” no gender distinction, “my generation,” no gender distinction (which is brother, sister, cousin, uncle, anything like that), and “generation below,” without any gender distinction, and then two words for biological son and biological daughter. And that’s it. That’s the Pirahã kinship system."

Okay so I'll stop torturing you with statements about the Piraha for a bit to say. As you can tell if you actually read these statements that their language and concepts are far different than western charged definitions. See what you want to do, is you see the word spirit and you take your western version of it and assume that they mean the same thing.

No, this is because the closest they can get to translating what the Piraha meant was the word "spirit" but this word is so charged in the west it can have many different meanings. You need to look and examine what they really mean when they talk about these things.

You haven't done that. You haven't taken the time to understand how their system works and just how difficult it is to translate their meanings into english. You just do the typical thing and jump to conclusions. Like I said before you went from spirit, to gods, to them worshiping gods. It is a leap of logic that is ridiculous. If you had actually taken the time, probably a actual five minutes of reading you would have learned this. But you didn't care to because you are an idiot.

"Why wouldn’t they have color words or number words? Because those generalize and range across things that go beyond immediacy of experience. They don’t have creation myths because that’s certainly something you haven’t experienced. Why would you talk about something if you can’t experience? And so they have suffixes that go on the end of their verbs that tell you whether they saw it or they overheard it or they inferred it. Evidence is very important to them; they’re sort of like the original Show Me State [Missouri]. Or as one philosopher said, the ultimate empiricists."

Now here is the damning evidence that shows christianity and religion is evil.

Are you of that culture? Why study the Piraha culture when there's no use for it outside of their small population? I have difficulty learning Chinese, and they make up one-fifth of the world's population.

I'm just making an observation from what Everett reported; nothing more, nothing less.

From my understanding of spirits or gods, they "live above the clouds."

And most often, the believer hears voices of their spirit/god.

In most cultures, when they hear voices, it's god talking to them. Otherwise, they have a mental illness.

Religion doesn't have to have a creation myth. You're thinking only about the bible where god created the heavens and the earth.

Gods could be anything and everything - including man-made objects or anything found in nature.

In most developed world cultures, we have answers for most of our universe and nature that we've learned through science.

No hokey-pokey limitations about our environment.

Their world is not my world, and I would venture to say most of the world's.

You can personally believe in their culture all you want, but don't expect me to believe their world is the real one, or the one I need to perceive or understand.

For you of all people to say that is utterly ridiculous. You really must live in a world of your own make believe to come up with that remark. You are Mistah Ad Hominem in the very flesh.

I agree that it's kiddie stuff. I ought to considering how many times I have pointed it out to you.

No, spendi, it's only people like you who continue to post bull **** that I continue to challenge, and call you an idiot. I back it up with an explanation that you never seem to challenge.

Galileo. The Alexandrian Library.

Blimey!! How many more times are we going to have those old chestnuts re-heated. You don't know a damn thing about either event.

Back up that ad hom with an explanation.