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@Ragman,

That would be a huge improvement over the non-thinkers we have in this country today. Yeah, let's discriminate against women and gays, because good book tells us to. Some even believe it's okay to have slaves, because the good book says so.

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@cicerone imposter,

Still wondering which one the good book is. Mebbe it's a Grisham book?

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@Ragman,

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Soon kids will be thinking for themselves?

What do you think they will think Raggie? Given their well known general characteristics.

It's absolutely useless to recommend that kids should think for themselves unless you have some idea what they will think when they do so. Which is impossible anyway unless they are feral.

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@Ragman,

From woerlee.org:

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Jews, Christians, and Muslims all berate women for causing humanity to be driven out of paradise. As a result of the original sin of the first woman, people lost the gift of immortality, had to work hard to find food, and were no longer blessed with the ability to interact directly with God (Torah and Bible, Genesis, chapter 3). The fault of this first and original sin rests heavily upon the shoulders of womankind, justifying all manner of religion-justified nastiness directed against them. Indeed, many passages in the Torah and the Bible teach us that women are not only inferior, but also must obey men, because God tells us that men are their masters.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (Bible, Genesis 3:16)

And if anyone thinks this ruling was abrogated by Jesus or his disciples, then think again. For we read that the holy Saint Paul himself said:

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (Bible, Ephesians 5:22-24)

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@cicerone imposter,

Jesus was actually pretty open to the notion of women being of equal importance to his ministry. (And, let's not forget that it wasn't just Peter who denied knowing who the heck Christ was during the trial and crucifixion. All the disciples with penises headed for the hills or the upper room; only women stayed at the cross, at least according to Matthew. And anyone who blubbers, well the men could have been arrested. So what? Get arrested. Your frigging Messiah did.)

Anyway, the early church was going along pretty well with LOTS of women in powerful places ....until Paul stuck his epistle-writing mitt into the mix. Nobody after about 60AD was a Christian, they had all become Paulists by then or been driven out beyond the edges of the movement.

The world would be a different place if Saul had fallen off that horse and broken his pathetic neck.

Joe(Just my opinion)Nation

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@cicerone imposter,

When any book starts out with a lie, I pretty much reject the whole shooting match:

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Jews, Christians, and Muslims all berate women for causing humanity to be driven out of paradise

Blame that serpent/snake! Twisted Evil

Where to begin there? I can't - mainly 'cause I'd call that a bad lying book, personally. I'm just sayin'!

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@Ragman,

But comic books are fun to read, because they're all written by creative genius'.

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@cicerone imposter,

Well, let me see: there is depth there..and some sense of plot. A lot of imagination went into it. However, none of those make it a good book.

Besides all that - Superman's uni is far more colorful and his cape is pretty neat when he flies around.

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@Joe Nation,

Interesting in retrospect - the most sympatico to me parish in my adolescent to short adult years (one year, actually, if you count from 21, and that's pushing it) when I could still be called a Catholic, was run by Paulists. (I reserve the bestest place for my parish from 4th to 8th grade, but things were all the old ways back then. That was all pre '65, including the short number of adult years when I was only mildly aware of the state of women's rights, that is, aware, as I was one of the few women pre meds in my university class, but not looking at church practice in that new light.

I was lucky - I had a good father, who told me I could be anything I wanted to be.

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@Ragman,

All the super-heroes of our day, Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and even the Green Lantern were "colorful" in more ways than one! Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

Were they considered 'colorful' just because they didn't have steady g/f? Or was it 'cause they had God-complexes?

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@Ragman,

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When any book starts out with a lie, I pretty much reject the whole shooting match:

Well--that was a lie talking about kids thinking for themselves.

Where's your answer to the question I asked you? You haven't one have you? So it was a lie.

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@spendius,

And it was a lie which serves no useful purpose other than to justify some personal grudge probably to do with something sexual.

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@spendius,

Which batch of kids are you talking about?

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@ossobuco,

The kids Raggie thinks should be encouraged to think for themselves without bothering about what it is they will be thinking if they do do.

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@spendius,

You said do do.

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@edgarblythe,

maybe he had to go?

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@reasoning logic,

I just thought it witty. **** is what kids thinking for themselves would think in terms of civilised society. And it is also what Raggie's idea was.

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@reasoning logic,

If this leads to knowledge about how the universe was "born," I wonder if most christian religions will disappear from humanity?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/05/science/cern-physicists-may-have-discovered-higgs-boson-particle.html

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@cicerone imposter,

I recently had an e-mail exchange with a NEC fundie. No matter how many scientific facts I presented to him, he insisted that facts don't count because they're man-made and therefore fallible. Our only hope is in blind faith in a being that refuses to give us any credible evidence of his existence, then threatens to send us to eternal agony for disbelief. Or even just having been born in the wrong place at the wrong time and never hearing His Word. But, of course, he does all this because he loves us. Wink

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