Ionus
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 06:49 am
@edgarblythe,
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I did not want to put rl on ignore, because he is not a bad guy. But he has joined the ranks of the thread spammers. Goodbye.
Another proud moment in the life of an unintelligent bigot .
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spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 06:53 am
@reasoning logic,
Pure sophistry rl. How does an atheist justify bringing kids into this shithole to suffer from first to last? And how does an atheist justify punishment of what he has no right to condemn by his own materialist argument.

Mailer said that planned parenthood was a great evil and I agree with him.

That the US retains capital punishment and inhumane jail conditions is proof that it is a more Christian nation than Europe which condemns the former and is constantly exercised by the problem of jail conditions.

But atheists will refuse to contemplate these questions and their experience of atheism is thus shallow. All they seem to want is to talk about how important it is to talk about the experience of being an atheist without ever actually doing so in any significant manner.
spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 07:01 am
@Ionus,
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.you know they cant answer any of those questions.


They won't you mean Io. They know the questions are there to be answered and yet they seek to lead others into the same ridiculous position they have got themselves into because of their initial rejection of Christian sexual morality in the service of personal convenience.

People cannot help being atheists. Faith cannot be forced upon anyone. But they can help preaching atheism.
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reasoning logic
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 07:55 am
@spendius,
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That the US retains capital punishment and inhumane jail conditions is proof that it is a more Christian nation than Europe


And this makes you proud of Cristian theology?

This may answer some peoples questions of why there ain't no reason!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXMqrbi-rSY
spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 08:46 am
@reasoning logic,
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And this makes you proud of Christian theology?


Don't be so ridiculous rl. What does pride have to do with it? One isn't proud of insecticides or rat catchers. They are practical necessities under all the circumstances. Atheists usually posit their arguments on one circumstance.

And theology is dynamic but because it is applied to all the circumstances it goes more slowly than the impatience of those who are applying it to one circumstance can tolerate. Counterjumping is the technique of the impatient. They choose the one circumstance to fit at the personal level. That's why they are bigoted. They cannot imagine being wrong because they can't be wrong having chosen the one circumstance to be not wrong. Fundies knock at the door and the Church's theology is proved to be bullshit. It's a playpen argument actually.

I should have said that the US is a more traditional Christian nation than Europe. I've seen prominent US academics saying that work should be compulsory without being hooted off the stage in derision.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 10:57 am
@spendius,
Pride and ego has everything to do with it! That's the reason why no matter what facts are presented to show that the bible is fiction, believers continue to believe. Faith is based on pride and ego, and not logic or common sense.
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 11:00 am
@spendius,
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Don't be so ridiculous rl. What does pride have to do with it? One isn't proud of insecticides or rat catchers. They are practical necessities under all the circumstances. Atheists usually posit their arguments on one circumstance.


I could almost agree with you but the one circumstance that I keep seeing is my country with all of it's churches in every neighborhood is among the most corrupt nations on earth if not the most corrupt!

The churches will not speak out about the evils of our economic system nor our political system, It is as if they are there to support the love of money and the statuesque.

The churches do not want people to think for themselves!
I am completely against people trying to keep people from advancing ethical, I find it very difficult that a group of people can not see where an ancient book can be full of errors when it comes to the understanding of ethics.

The strange thing is they can see the errors in other religious books but not in their own religious book.
Talk about a huge defect in logic!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 11:02 am
@reasoning logic,
Look at what the GOP candidates are doing to attract voters; using their religion.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sun 5 Jun, 2011 11:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yes I have noticed that and I am also noticing something something I never noticed before and that is talk radio Rush trying to use the social word to make him seem a little more social, well you no what I mean he can not use it to much because it will make him look like a liberal!

We need to find away to get threw to the masses, I think it will require our school systems to teach ethics, science and logic foremost.

Eventually people will feel embarrassed to be religious!
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 11:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone have you been here? I think that this may be somewhat the end of the idea that religion can make moral decisions for the people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw&feature=related
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spendius
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 12:25 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Eventually people will feel embarrassed to be religious!


Eventually, rl, a cosmic event will return us all to the atoms and molecules from whence we derived. You are partaking of a sneaky rhetorical trick which no respectable school of reasoning logic would touch with a barge-pole. And objectively so.

It will not do you know. Insulting our intelligence with corn that predates the Bronze Age. It reveals your desperation to find an argument against religion which I think springs from some deep personal need probably associated with making the girls more accessible. Or at least their relevant parts.
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littlek
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 01:12 pm
Those who are intent on following the original thread of this thread...... I heard this interview, today, with Lord Martin Rees on "On Being", which is a sort of theological show. The host is Krista Tippett who used to host "Speaking of Faith" in the same time slot. Anyway, there's a whole page on science and religion which I find interesting (haven't read through it yet). She seems, to me, to be trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2011/cosmic-origami/
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Sun 5 Jun, 2011 01:22 pm
@littlek,
What do we click on littlek?
spendius
 
  0  
Sun 5 Jun, 2011 01:24 pm
@littlek,
Which isn't very revealing in relation to the experiences of atheists. I bet people from many philosophical positions were listening to that. It must have been a very long talk if it covered what we don't know. If you wrote down what I don't know in very small writing on a ticker tape it would be long enough to reach to Alpha Centauri and back a few thousand times. At least.
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reasoning logic
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 03:02 pm
@littlek,
Thank you for sharing new people and view points with me. I listened to Lord Martin Rees on "On Being" but I do have to say it was a little over my head.

I did like what I was hearing and found new people to check out. I started with Krista Tippett and I found her to be trying to bring people together and I admire that.

Quote:
She seems, to me, to be trying to force a square peg into a round hole.


It does seem that way at times when one is trying to inspire ethical thinking!

Krista Tippett: Reconnecting with Compassion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTc8KhRTDo
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littlek
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 03:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
Edgar - there's an insert in the picture of the starscape, there's a listen link there.
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Ionus
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 05:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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no matter what facts are presented to show that the bible is fiction
Why are science worshippers like you so pathetic when it comes to understanding anything ? How has the Bible been disproved by facts ? Do you know how to prove something is fiction ? Can you prove a negative ?

Quote:
Pride and ego has everything to do with it!
Pride and ego has everything to do with calling yourself an atheist . You even have some mumbo-jumbo speak where you can categorise all different kinds of atheists and have some that are closer to being theists but there are no agnostics . Do you read the posts by your fellow fools ?
ossobuco
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 05:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
JL is nobody.
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ossobuco
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 05:20 pm
@reasoning logic,
Talk about a layered red herring.
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farmerman
 
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Sun 5 Jun, 2011 05:21 pm
@Ionus,
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How has the Bible been disproved by facts ? Do you know how to prove something is fiction ?


Having a bit of difficulty extracting your head from your anus ANUS?

 

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