Atheism

True, but a couple of million years of evolution have shown us that it's generally safer to believe things that have some factual basis.

Of course if we accept your God we don't really have free will do we, I mean he knows everything so he knows how every step of our life will turn out before we're born. So why be born? My atheism is all part of God's plan.

On the contrary, I believe you are the one who is incorrect. Ask any atheist to explain how the universe came to be and they will either be dumbfounded or refer to science for their answer. Well sorry to break it to you, but science is extremely flawed and scientific laws are always being disproven and reformed. Even the most brilliant scientists will tell you that. Einstein himself, arguably one of the greatest human minds to ever perceive, was not an atheist. He stated that the question at hand was beyond our comprehension and that something did indeed design our universe but he did not have any clue what that could be. So yes, it is ignorant to dismiss the possibility of a supernatural creator, because anything outside of this dimensional realm would be "supernatural." Atheists limit themselves, they limit the possibilities to the dimensional existence. Everything must be explained through our senses, evidence always has to be tangible, nothing unobservable can be said to exist, etc... Human beings are limited by our perceptions, therefore a whole world of things could exist right in front of us which we are unable to perceive. Are you confident in claiming that none of these things can exist? Listen, I respect your opinion and you probably will never accept the existence of God or even consider it, but I am just trying to open your mind to the possibilities. Even though I have never met you, I do care about you just as much as I care about all human beings. We are all kind of in the same boat and I just want to help you and others realize that their purpose is not worthless, we are not utterly insignificant creatures, and there is much more to life than this.

You are absolutely correct. You can call God whatever you want, as words are just mutual agreements between men. You can refer to him however you'd like to, even as a flying spaghetti monster, so long as you accept his existence. But He is not a literal flying spaghetti monster as He has no form.

Very funny Spendius you do at times have something that I can relate to.

Proving that atheists dont exist any where .

Nevertheless, they use it to troll for religious people .

In this instance it would be counter-propaganda .

I know a lot more about christianity than you do about science. And you are still equating atheism with science. Atheism exists without science.

Everything you say is bad about science I think is good. Science changes in response to evidence - unlike religious thought (which requires a whole bunch of political maneouvring), science is open that it is a method of proof, verification and change, it does not profess to hold absolute unwavering truths - unlike religion.

Strange that I never saw a mention dimensional existence in the old or new testaments.

What? Have you sniffed an electron lately?

I've certainly considered it - just never seen even the remotest hint of proof. If I ever do have proof I'll be catechisming my ass off.

Yet you believe in a god

I've never thought I my 'purpose was worthless' you are projecting. You don't understand atheism at all.

But you have to die to get it, so it's not life. Don't you think that thinking that this existence is all there is means atheists actually cherish life infinitely more than people confident of going to heaven forever?

There are plenty of threads where you can proselytize and wallow in the endorphin rush of being in tune with god, I suggest you leave this one unless you have a specific atheist friend you'd like to tell us about, who you constantly badger with self-contradictory waffle - and how he deals with it.

Perhaps because you are aware of the atheists who believe in UFO alien's coming here and probing anuses, or how the CIA is out to get them, or how science will explain everything (one day)...... you need to balance the equation, dont you ?

You need to know more about religion and less about fundamentalists .

Agreed .

You haven't read much written by actual atheists, have you? No, I don't mean the big names, or someone your pastor mentioned. You could start by reading this entire thread.

In the meantime, let me say one more time, this is a thread for us atheists to converse. What has happened instead is that a few non atheists come in to the thread and disrupt. Not all are disruptive, but a few are very much so, varying in levels of rudeness and ignorance re the thread.

And the stupid among us atheists combat and enjoy combatting them, all together waylaying a well meant conversational thread. Pages go by with the atheists more interested in the ridiculous combat than in talking with each other.
The jack in the box thing.

If you want to argue this further, how about starting your own thread. I promise to come to tell you how wrong you are about everything.

Thank you for sharing

He missed it. That's incompetence. Not his fault though. It's the trolls.

I think Setanta thinks we are all morons or infants or something. What he means by trolls, taking his Chinese history lesson into consideration, which was fatuity extrapolated to the maximum of his capacity, is anybody he needs to place into the "too difficult box" as he presumably used to do when a pitcher was too good for him and he took his ball home.

He seems to fondly believe that this debate has a point. That it will bear fruit if only we will allow him to conduct it as he sees fit. It actually has no motion on the table, no chairman and no importance. We blather. The only point is the blather. It's fun is blathering. The trick is to prevent it sending us elsewhere or nodding off as his wide ranging analysis of the Han dynasty did me. The blather does not keep to the point because there is no point to keep to. Obviously. What else could an atheist believe? The incisive perceptions lead nowhere because there is nowhere to lead to. To have a point it must lead to something. Some progress in human affairs. And there's no chance of that. We are all trolls if any of us are.

All Setanta is doing is defining trolls as anybody who draws attention away from his personal, scintillating aura of brilliance and attempting by this infantile word magic to persuade some of us to put others of us in the "too difficult box" merely because we are too difficult for him.

Absolutely. End of story. His arguments on the evolution threads are exactly the same.

I like to think he's joker. An undercover double agent of trolling. And he has an ugly dog as well.

Spendius am I hearing you correctly when you say that: God is an invention of man

you noticed that too? was considering using it as a sig line

Now that you're saying god is a creation of man, how does that reconcile with your creationism?

In the beginning was the word and the word was with the first man who thought up the concept of naming things and that man became god because nothing was named before him. He named every thing into existence!

Before this man things had no names and things could not be communicated.

When people learned how to communicate with each other for war they became gods!

I am sure that I have some of this wrong but I am cool with that!

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When arrested he should have given the answer Diogenes gave when he wanked in the market square stood on a plinth. These puritan atheists eh? They home in on this stuff like a drone does on a supect village. It must fascinate them.