spendius
 
  2  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:10 pm
@mesquite,
But no conclusions about atheism or religion can be drawn from an example of intolerance. There are intolerants in every activity.
dyslexia
 
  1  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:14 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
There are intolerants in every activity.
Yeah, I really hate bigots.
hingehead
 
  2  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:18 pm
@dyslexia,
They should all be sent back to bigotland where they came from.
hingehead
 
  4  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:19 pm
@hingehead,
Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are bigots, I just wouldn't want my daughter to marry one.
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Ionus
 
  2  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:18 pm
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/images/is_your_housemate_an_atheist.jpg
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Ionus
 
  2  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:21 pm
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/2007-06-02_bousquet_atheist.jpg
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rosborne979
 
  4  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:26 pm
Stephen F. Roberts wrote:
I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.--Stephen F. Roberts
spendius
 
  2  
Mon 14 Feb, 2011 06:20 pm
@rosborne979,
Mr Roberts is on safe ground here in our Christian world. I bet he daren't try it in Allah country.
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Ionus
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 05:14 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
why you dismiss all the other possible gods
There has been no dismissal of other gods. They have been amalgamated or given retirement benefits.
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Ionus
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 05:36 am
An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska, admiring all that evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What a powerful river! What beautiful animals!" he said to himself. As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13-foot Kodiak brown bear beginning to charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow, he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest, he tried to run faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up, the bear was right over him, reaching for him with its left paw and raising its right paw to strike him.

"OH MY GOD! ..."

Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving ...As a brilliant light shone upon the man, a thunderous voice came from all around...

"YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS, TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON'T EXIST AND EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER?"

Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, "It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years, but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian?"

"VERY WELL." Said God.

The light went out. The river ran. The sounds of the forest resumed. ... and the bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed his head and spoke: "Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive."
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Francis
 
  5  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 07:35 am
Three men were hiking through a forest when they came upon a large raging, violent river.

Needing to get to the other side, the first man prayed: “God, please give me the strength to cross the river” Poof! God gave him big arms and strong legs and he was able to swim across in about 2 hours, having almost drowned twice.

After witnessing that, the second man prayed: “God, please give me strength and the tools to cross the river” Poof! God gave him a rowboat and strong arms and strong legs and he was able to row across in about an hour after almost capsizing once.

Seeing what happened to the first two men, the third man prayed: “God, please give me the strength, the tools and the intelligence to cross the river” Poof! He was turned into an atheist. He checked the map, hiked one hundred yards up stream and walked across the bridge.

Setanta
 
  1  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 08:09 am
C'est rigolant, Mon Vieux.
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spendius
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 08:52 am
@Francis,
Imagine 3000 years going by and a new civilisation being erected on the ruins of our's. A2K archives are discovered and decoded and a fresh lot of miracles attesting to the power of prayer are piously believed. Francis being canonised.
Francis
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 09:02 am
@spendius,
Me, canon fodder?

Nah!!
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Setanta
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 09:03 am
You're very droll today, Francis . . .
Francis
 
  2  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 09:06 am
@Setanta,
Well, maybe it's that Saint Valentine begins to fade away..
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jjorge
 
  1  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 09:47 pm
Just noticed this interesting thread...

I am agnostic (yes, I know, 'wishy-washy') and a Unitarian-Universalist.
I was first Catholic, then a 'Cafeteria Catholic', and then -after the thrill was gone- a sort of 'residual' Catholic for reasons of inertia and sentimentality.
Finally, after watching thirty plus years of rightward movement by the church, the 'price' of this sentimental connection grew too high.
I left and never looked back. (except in horror when the priestly pedophile scandals broke)

In one of my favorite poems, Philip Larkin, speaking about the fear of death, says the following:

This is a special way of being afraid
No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
That vast, moth-eaten musical brocade
Created to pretend we never die,

To me, that last line: "Created to pretend we never die" explains the HOLD religion has on so many people who suspend or anesthetize their reason, and accept religion in exchange for the reassuring fantasy that they won't really die.

I am now very contented to be a Unitarian-Universalist, a world-centered, ethics-centered, social action oriented, "beloved Community" with no creed or dogmas. There are many UU's who consider themselves humanists, atheists,
non-theists, agnostics etc. with a mixture of self described buddhists, pagans and some liberal Christians.



ossobuco
 
  1  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 09:58 pm
@jjorge,
I know, but I distrust a group that would accept me..

Ok, I'm kidding. I'm lonely, that is obvious, but I see UU as a social bulwark. A bulwark I don't really get.

I'm not knocking it.
I just don't need to gather to disagree in a friendly way. This is probably bad, socially.

panzade
 
  1  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 10:48 pm
@jjorge,
I like the UUs, I had a lot of friends there. Good post jorge
jjorge
 
  1  
Wed 16 Feb, 2011 10:55 pm
@ossobuco,
"...I just don't need to gather to disagree in a friendly way..."

Not sure I understand....
We gather for fellowship and mutual support and sustenance. We do disagree with one another but try to do so in a way that is respectful and with a commitment to listen.

Most keep coming back because of the sense of community, the freedom of conscience, the respectful, reasoned discussion, and the opportunity to reflect on matters of importance. To give you an idea, here is a sample of topics of services/meetings:

Sunday Services at 1o a.m:

February 6, What Makes Life Good? You’ve seen the t-shirt declaring that life is good. But given all the suffering we see in the world, is it really? Or are we just deluding ourselves?
February 13, Standing on the Side of Love by Creating Peace. This is an intergenerational service (no Religious Education classes) that will explore ways that we can create peace in our community, our homes, and ourselves — and even the world.
February 20, Forgiving the Unjust. When we’ve been wronged, we’re told that forgiveness is an important step toward healing. This might work if the wrong were unintended or fairly minor, but how can we forgive random violence or horrific acts like terrorism?
February 27, The Joy of Connection: Small Group Ministry. Many of us come into a congregation looking for people who share our values and interests. While our coffee hour might give us a chance to meet people, it’s hard to make a deeper connection. Small groups are one way to deepen relationships. Is a small group in your future?
Sunday Circle
The Sunday Circle meets on the 1st and 3rd Sundays the month at 8:45 AM.
February 6:
At the dawn of the 21st century, America finds herself facing unprecedented economic  problems, failing education, a gridlocked political system, and increasingly unsustainable debt.  In her book, The Age of American Unreason, Susan Jacoby implicates the public's ignorance of the underlying issues and inability to think critically. In addition, the majority has a disdain for scientific reasoning, logic, or the need for evidence.  UUC member Richard Eisler will examine the historical basis for an unthinking credulous American public and its implications for our future.

February 20:
America's Corporate Media. Despite the oft-heard assertions that U.S. media are “liberal,” our media more often promote a corporate agenda, often at the expense of ordinary Americans.  UUC member Kathy Welch will examine some of the evidence and discuss what we can do to promote skeptical consumption of “news” and increased media literacy.
 

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