Atheism

@reasoning logic,

That was really cool, and reflected and improved my understanding of the fluid nature of the bible and belief - I am much more aware of the construction of the new testament, so I'm looking forward to the second part of that video.

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@JTT,

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Is this the guy who was poking fun at other people's use of English?

Yes it is. What is your point ?

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Philosophy ain't your bag.

Philosophy, spelling, history, reason, logic, politics, diplomacy, ah hell....too many to list...are not your bag.

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A surrendered brain is a such a waste.

In your case, I would like to point out the dead can not surrender.

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Is there any chance you can reenlist?

None whatsoever.

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@failures art,

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"Are you convinced there is a god?" I believe that many will say "no." Many may say "I don't know."

If you answer "no" then you are saying you are not convinced. If you answer "I dont know" you are saying you dont know if you are convinced.

An Theist is one who has a God. An Atheist, by word structure and definition, is someone without a God. Thats what the "A" in front means. An Agnostic is someone who is without knowledge of a God (Gnostos - gk for knowledge).

Can we agree on the above before I continue ?

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@hingehead,

A lot of people ridiculed Judaism...oh they never intended to burn them in ovens, but by the time they realised where their sneering and immature inferiority complex had led, it was too late. The damage was done.

I do note however the sorry that leads your post. With a little more of that direction perhaps one day you will be the kind person you think of yourself as now.

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I guess this thread is doomed to being a venue for cranks to tell atheists what they believe . . . sad . . .

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@Ionus,

I have you on ignore because you are almost always an self-important idiot, but I was curious what you thought about that vid so I had a peak.

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A lot of people ridiculed Judaism

Not so much 'ridiculed' as despised, feared, persecuted and abhorred. Those people were known as 'christians'.

I'll chalk that down as one of your idiot moments.

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@hingehead,

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I have you on ignore

Why do you brag that you are a bigot ? Is that a compliment where you come from ? Do people pat you on the back because of the people you ignore ? Obviously your opinion is already perfectly formed and you have nothing to do now but wait to die . Move over God, unhinged head will be the new boss man.

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Those people were known as 'christians'.

Wrong again dopey.....was Hitler a christian ? What about the rest of his henchmen ? How about the SS ? Face facts, stupid, they were atheists and you are responsible for them.

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I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

-- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

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@Setanta,

Do you think he was a catholic or a politician who would say anything to gain power and influence ? If you said you were a genius I wouldnt believe you. I would judge that from your thoughts and actions. How many polies go to church for the Bible vote ? JFK was a catholic and he certainly didnt act like one.

You are easily fooled.

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Not so easily fooled that i ever believe any of the bullshit you peddle . . .

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@failures art,

The word atheist means "without theism" in latin. It describes lack of belief. I understand that others think atheists believe there are no gods, as some do, but believing there are none is a separate step that implies an interest.

People keep instructing us that we believe. It gets humorous. (that's an atheist experience, folks)

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@hingehead,

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I'll chalk that down as one of your idiot moments.

Do Aussies say chalk something down because they're down under and those in the N Hemisphere say chalk something up 'cause we're up? Smile

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@Setanta,

You've always been exceedingly fond of your maintaining your own little echo chamber, Set.

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@Setanta,

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I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

-- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

Clearly, he would never lie. I mean, if you can't trust Hitler, who can you trust?

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@Night Ripper,

There's no reason for him to have lied. The most evil of people have always been highly religious or pretended to be highly religious.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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"Are you convinced there is a god?" I believe that many will say "no." Many may say "I don't know."
If you answer "no" then you are saying you are not convinced. If you answer "I dont know" you are saying you dont know if you are convinced.

Unconvinced about there being a god. Atheism does not posit that "there are no gods." In other words, it's is not a belief devoted to the non-existence of something. Better to ask an atheist what it is that they do believe (what they have been convinced of). I will assume that most will reply that they believe in natural origins of the universe, life, and bio-diversity.

Remember, it's not god versus no-god. It is about existence and cosmic history. So it is god versus nature in who gets credit.

Ionus wrote:

An Theist is one who has a God. An Atheist, by word structure and definition, is someone without a God. Thats what the "A" in front means. An Agnostic is someone who is without knowledge of a God (Gnostos - gk for knowledge).

You are quite correct. I'd only add that the term atheist is a term which has more of a religious convention. It suggests a certain derivation from religion and a belief in god. No great effort has risen to rename what could more accurately be called "spiritual skepticism." Likewise, theists could be labeled "anaturalists" or "supernaturalists."

Because labels are less important than ideas, "atheist" is still a useful term.

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Can we agree on the above before I continue ?

Sure.

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@Night Ripper,

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Clearly, he would never lie. I mean, if you can't trust Hitler, who can you trust?

George Bush, George Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Clinton, Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, ... have I forgotten anyone?

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@Ionus,

I already posted this earlier in the thread, but it's worth a watch to explain how I'm using "atheist' and "agnostic."

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@Ionus,

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That was almost as stupid as the "Banana was designed for the human hand" video. Almost.
Are you suggesting there is no stupidity on the side of science when even Einstein and Hawking made major errors ? Why don't you laugh at some videos of their mistakes ? Or could it be all these self proclaimed scientists wouldn't understand the concepts ?

I'm not aware of anything from Einstein or Hawking that even approaches the level of ignorance expressed by Bill in that clip. Can you provide an example of something from Einstein or Hawking that you would like me to consider as comparably ignorant. I'll be happy to sneer at them too if something compares.

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@Night Ripper,

That's not the point. The point is how people are labelled. Anus wants to label Hitler an atheist so that he can call all atheists into disrepute. But that's as silly as saying that because Hitler labelled himself a Catholic, all Catholics are as vile and evil as he was. The remark was a response to the idiocy of saying that atheists can be condemned because someon chooses to label Hitler an atheist.

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