Atheism

Set has been provoking me for years. He gave up after a while and put me on Ignore when he had no answers to the questions I raised about him preaching atheism when he didn't really want everybody to become atheists because such a situation would change his lifestyle out of all recognition. He wanted to preach atheism just so long as he could use it to insult people, which he did regularly, although repetitively, him not having much skill in insulting people, just as he has no skill in history understanding.

In his latest complaints about insulting people he has used "clowns" and "fools", words he was using about me six years ago, and he has referred to my alcoholism and my dypsomania (on two pints a night--I ask you) and I daresay if I could be bothered looking back using imaginative expressions such as "dipshit", me having my head up my arse and talking out of it, which, if I could manage it, would make me world famous, "idiot", "IDiot", "frightened", "superstitious", and a threat to the prosperity of the USA. He drove one pious lady off the site in tears.

He couldn't abuse an hedgehog he had sat upon such is his command of the language.

I can easily understand anyone who does not believe in God or that it is not wrong to commit adultery, or bestiality, or homosexuality, or abortion, or divorce or wanking but I cannot understand anyone seeking to persuade everyone, and you cannot seek to persuade anyone unless you intend persuading everyone, all 301 million Americans I mean, to change their whole way of life and without offering a policy to stand in place of what is generally accepted and on which that whole way of life is based from both a scientific and a moral standpoint.

Setanta uses atheism for no other reason than to find ways of satisfying his need to insult people.

Spendius, Setanta - take it elsewhere.

Seed, I'm sorry you had that horrific experience.

Thank you for that post, seed.

I will admit to the occasional instinct to cross myself in the early past decades; that passed, but the almost primal symbol showing up wouldn't surprise me. But there's no there, there. Even though I'm known as drama queen, especially about fantasy football and for a long time about my eyes, I'm pretty copasetic re the processes of life. I'm not copasetic about the mess I'd leave behind, all my fault of course, and I'm working on it. Oddly, when I've talked with JLNobody, we mostly agree although we use different words. Same end type thinking from different directions.
On calling me spiritual, as the Virginian said, when you say that, smile. I am not.

Look Kay. We did not come on A2K to discuss whether the doillies were of Maltese lace or what the height of hemlines are this season.

Atheism is a kitchen with fierce heat in it. If you can't stand it the remedy is your's for the choosing.

I'm also very sorry you had that experience.

I wonder if the person using the child as a shield believed that the child would continue in some form after death, rewarded in some heaven perhaps, and whether they would still have done that if they thought that it was simply the end of a young life.

I very much doubt it. The child was kidnapped so I doubt the man had any care at all. He would probably have strapped a bomb to his chest and sent him to a check point if he had gotten away taht day.

Fresco, no heat in atheism, that's sort of the whole point. And here you are proving another point. You religionists persecute atheists.

Go Away.

I suggest Seed that you go talk to an experienced priest and show him your soul.

Spendi, even though you're talking to another believer, that is still, in my opinion, proselytizing.

I'm not persecuting atheists. I'm arguing with people who seek to convert everyone to atheism without any reference to what it entails.

A2K is not a site designed to indulge you. There are loads of threads which don't cause controvesy. This is not one of them.

Possibly, although it may be sound advice all the same.
Talking about that stuff with anybody would be of some value to one's health. Frankly, I doubt Seed would be susceptible to being easily "pulled back in" if he/she is wavering. More likely Seed will be filtering the priestly advice through the bullshit filter every intelligent mind possesses.

This is a burden, first to the child, but also to you.
I couldn't begin to tell you what to do about your feelings.

War is actually hell. Poets have written, and what is poetry in the face of war.
I don't know, but I think it can have power.



I have a bias/disclosure. My father was poet laureate of his university. He was also head of photo, as I understand it, for the army air force in wwII, and head of photo for the bikini bomb tests. He was a patriot - he begged to be let into the army with his bad eyes, while older. I have the letters.

I'm not interested in making you agree with my father, especially since I don't know all his thoughts, but even if I did...

but nudge you to pull your experience together in understanding humanity... and take care of yourself in the meantime.

Re belief in god or God, you will come out where you come out. I won't argue with you in the process.

Can you not listen to a simple courteous request on the thread post?

Open your own thread, Spendius. Oops, I think you have never done that. I'll have to check under your screen name - ah, you've started six, so you know how.

What?? To go away?? Is that courteous in your world?

Are you censors or something?

On the original post -

I know there are other threads about atheism, but they tend to be focused somewhat specifically to some argument or subtopic. I'd like this thread to be open for constructive conversation, sharing of ideas and resources, etc.

One big issue that some friends and I feel is weird is that religious people seem to feel that we are persecuting them. I can't see how that could be given that we represent such a small minority of any population. If anything, it is we who are persecuted.



Let us talk about that.

Atheist is the new witch.
AllThatIsGoodAndHoly feel threatened by us.
Possibly, the should be.

How traumatic. How truly terrible. I can't imagine this is an easy thing to share with others, but I very much appreciate you sharing it all the same. My older brother had a friend go into the Marines. He had a similar experience in the Philippines. His unit had to fight children soldiers. It messed him up real bad.

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That's one thing the end of religion would entail, the end of the idea that a priest or ideology could give you permission to persecute others for their mis-beliefs. The end of beliefs would leave everyone to their own mind's silence.

Joe(and it would be the end of prattlers of all superstition)Nation

I've been trying to think about what resources I know of, and what comes to mind most immediately is websites like http://www.meetup.com where you can find local secular humanist and atheist activity groups.

I've never gone to one, but it seems like it could be interesting. The activities are less feeding Christians to lions, and more feeding your face with cookies at an Olympics watch party.

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I was raised in that we catholics were persecuted. Something about Cardinal Mindzenti (sp). I'm perhaps unusually blessed, in that my father helped along on Father Peyton's Rosary crusade (did Peyton say the eulogy or the mass, I forget, when my father died.) We had missionaries to dinner. No, not for. Now, there would have been a childhood.