Atheism

@Setanta,

You are missing out on some beautiful buildings Wink

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I always feel more comfortable around green, growing things. I'll pass on buildings that offer anthing more than shelter and a modest comfort.

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@Setanta,

......and indoor plumbing with washrooms. Don't forget the washrooms.

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Actually, i have done without that before . . . but yes, i prefer reliable plumbing.

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@Francis,

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No law obligates me to attend a church on Sundays, or any other day for that matter.

So what's your beef?

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No law imposes me any moral constraint like a religion does.

Religion, in our day, imposes no involuntary moral constraints. They are freely chosen. The very idea that they are conditioned for life in childhood is belied by atheists.

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Look at the result in man/woman relationship, given the number of threads open on this site, related to moral constraints and christian conditioning.

But people who open threads on such matters are self selecting and in a small minority. You, as an irreligious person, are under no moral constraints. You should seek other irreligious people to get it on with. Or are you trying to corrupt the daughters so you have a bigger choice of partners with no moral constraints. The man/woman relationship is naturally fraught with great difficulties. You are not comparing like with like. How do you see that relationship with no moral constraints as would be the case in a world you are seeking to bring forward? What evidence have you to contradict the idea that Christianity decreases the difficulties and increases the chance of happiness. We are not concerned with your "I". We are concerned with sum totals.

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Yes, it is the totalitarian mission of any religion...

But the Great Leader is not human in the case of religion. That's the point of God. And, again, atheists give the lie to your proposition. As do the statistics on sexual behaviour and the consequences.

I don't consider the statement I made about totalitarian regimes to be an "unfortunate lapsus". It's a known fact. Your much vaunted critical thinking has not served you well in saying that. Perhaps it's only a badge you wear for effect.

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@cicerone imposter,

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And to know for a fact that humans have created gods since our early evolution, we can conclude that humans need for any religion serves a social function; mostly to control the masses.

Are you for uncontrolled masses ci?

The reason religious edifices are as you say they are is because only religious feeling can inspire such works. They express, or try to, an admiration for a force that enables us to live without anarchy. Hence the panic when the human Great Leader dies. God never dies. God transcends the generations.

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Spendi,

I'm not going to respond to a post which is quite a bit of a jumble.

I'd expect from you a more structured and organised onset.

Some assertions like those, combined with vague statements, are not my beef indeed.

I do not do rhetorics for the sake of it and I don't wear badges..

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@Francis,

There's five assertions there Francis. All so vague as to be meaningless.

And a lame excuse.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

And to know for a fact that humans have created gods since our early evolution, we can conclude that humans need for any religion serves a social function; mostly to control the masses.

How do you know this for a fact?

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I am constantly impressed by visiting poor countries around the world where their religious buildings are always the biggest and most beautiful.

Why do you think this is?
Do they build elaborate atheist buildings?

As was said by Lenny Bruce about big churches in poor neighborhoods, "I live in a **** house. What, I got to go to one?"

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@edgarblythe,

Intrepid, Do you know of any atheist organizations? Please tell us where they are.

cicerone imposter wrote:
And to know for a fact that humans have created gods since our early evolution, we can conclude that humans need for any religion serves a social function; mostly to control the masses.

Intrepid wrote:
How do you know this for a fact?

ci:
The "facts" surrounds you. If you don't see it, I'm not here to explain it. Evidence galore, and you can't see it? You are not only blind, but an ignorant one.

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This thread was not started to challenge Christians. That they feel compelled to come here to argue is due to them not feeling good about atheists enjoying the same freedoms they do.

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I've seen no church or temple so beautiful, that it became a selling point for a religion.

Architecture is often very moving. I'm not sure if Frank Lloyd Wright ever built a church, but if he did, the beauty would not be in that it was a church but rather that it was the fruit of his (a human's) labor.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, Do you know of any atheist organizations? Please tell us where they are.

cicerone imposter wrote:
And to know for a fact that humans have created gods since our early evolution, we can conclude that humans need for any religion serves a social function; mostly to control the masses.

Intrepid wrote:
How do you know this for a fact?

ci:
The "facts" surrounds you. If you don't see it, I'm not here to explain it. Evidence galore, and you can't see it? You are not only blind, but an ignorant one.

A counter assertion put into the form of an insult is the weapon of choice by those who do not have an answer and are frustrated by their own inability to produce one of substance.

If you don't care to explain what you mean, why bother to post in the first place?

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@Intrepid,

I did explain it in very simple terms; not my problem you don't understand it.

Do you understand the meaning of a) social function, and b) control of the masses?

Tell me how this observation is in error?

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@cicerone imposter,

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Do you understand the meaning of a) social function, and b) control of the masses?

I do ci.

But you were asked about whether you were in favour of the masses being controlled or not. Why have you not answered that simple question?

Is it a hang up you have?

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@spendius,

Since when did you change your name?

As for your question,

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whether you were in favour of the masses being controlled or not.

, it doesn't make any sense.

I do not control individuals or any mass of people, so my favour has no bearing. You'll have to ask those people who are being controlled - if indeed, they understand what you are asking.

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@cicerone imposter,

Cut the bullshit ci. Are you in favour of the masses being controlled or not? Just answer the ******* question for once willya? We don't know where you stand otherwise.

I am in favour. And I can make a case for the most cost effective way of doing it if brain implants and pharmaceuticals are ruled out.

Are you in favour of brain implants and pharmaceuticals being ruled out because there's no scientific reason for doing so? Can you think of one?

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@edgarblythe,

I consider that a point well taken. They can't seem to stay away.

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@Setanta,

If I'd a knowed they was coming, we could have had a party. Still could, but BYOB.

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@spendius,

It's impossible to answer stupid questions. The question lacks any common sense or reality. How is one supposed to answer any question that is not relevant to our reality? Favouring anything must first comply with our reality; otherwise, it's meaningless.

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