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Should I hate Margaret Thatcher?

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The Pentacle Queen
 
Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 06:51 pm
So far, I've only been able to get very biased opinions about her. She seems to be like Marmite.
Since I wasn't around to witness- should I hate her or not?

My Dad loves her, everyone at my university hates her. I'm guessing my allegiance should probably lie with the latter...

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 06:53 pm
@The Pentacle Queen,
My easy answer is yes, of course.

But, don't trust me on that.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:03 pm
Do you mind if I ask ... why now? It might be an extreme exaggeration but wouldn't it be like me asking, "Should I hate King George III?" Or Richard Nixon?

She's been out of her Prime Minister position since when? 1990? What has she done lately to deserve her present day name dragging?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:18 pm
@tsarstepan,
Well, there were past aspects.

Everyone seems to get to be revisited.
dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:22 pm
I just feel sorry for Dennis (Her husband)
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:38 pm
@tsarstepan,
I was wondering the same thing, tsar.

In her heyday, sure!
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:40 pm
@ossobuco,
Revisiting is fine. Especially if you don't want to repeat policy mistakes of yesteryear. I'm just concerned with the wasted emotional effort that's involved with actively hating someone who isn't a functioning influence on today's political scene.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:43 pm
@tsarstepan,
My impression is that she remains an influence, as does Reagan.

Of course I don't know.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:47 pm
@ossobuco,
Is it too naive to proclaim, "hate the policy and not the individual?"
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 07:56 pm
I dunno. In the UK in 2009, I think I'd be more inclined to hate (if I was going to get into hating) a certain former PM who took the country to war by telling big fibs!
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 08:48 pm
Gotta agree with the Tsar on this. What is the point of hating -- or even mildly disliking -- someone who no longer has any influence on the poilitical scene? Unless you know the person personally, of course, and dislike their character. But, as a general rule, once out of office (therefore out of sight), out of mind.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 08:52 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Pah, they are well disliked for actions, if that is your point of view - all this later stuff is polite/cute.
Actions have consequences - I need to be nice?
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 10:35 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Actions have consequences - I need to be nice?


No, you don't need to be nice, Osso, but so long after the fact I think you need to be indifferent. Am I supposed to go on hating Ron Reagan even though he's dead?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 10:38 pm
@Merry Andrew,
No, I don't need to be indifferent.
No offence, MA.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 12:24 am
@The Pentacle Queen,
I don't think you should decide anything without actual, first-hand knowledge of what she did and said.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 12:39 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

No, I don't need to be indifferent.
No offence, MA.


No offence taken, Osso. To each their own.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 12:39 am
@Merry Andrew,
People in our recent past(s) don't suddenly dissolve to rub able loveable.

Hate is too strong a word but I don't plan to erase 'leader' behavior because they're dead.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 12:53 am
@ossobuco,
Reagan, Thatcher, and Stalin or Kruschev are leaders whose respective conservative populations today are desperately trying to whitewash their political histories and even grant them political sainthood.

I'm not making a bold statement that either Reagan or Thatcher were criminally insane dictators like Stalin was. I'm just saying that their respective fan clubs overly fetishize their respective icon while ignoring their major political flaws.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 01:10 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

Revisiting is fine. Especially if you don't want to repeat policy mistakes of yesteryear. I'm just concerned with the wasted emotional effort that's involved with actively hating someone who isn't a functioning influence on today's political scene.
That makes sense to me, Your Majesty.
Y and how did a Czar become a Tsar ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 01:12 am
@The Pentacle Queen,
The Pentacle Queen wrote:

So far, I've only been able to get very biased opinions about her. She seems to be like Marmite.
Since I wasn't around to witness- should I hate her or not?

My Dad loves her, everyone at my university hates her.
I'm guessing my allegiance should probably lie with the latter...


If u favor personal freedom, then u shoud support her.
If u hate it, then u shoud hate her.





David
 

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