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Should I hate Margaret Thatcher?

 
 
saab
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 12:53 am
Why continue to hate? It is 23 years since she stopped governing and during that time a lot should have been changed for the better. Dislike, be against yes - but also try to change things.
In Sweden there was a very controversial and really hated politician. There is even a special word for the hate against him. It was sad that he was killed 27 years ago - noone deserves that. Noone danced on his grave or celebrated with champange. At least people were that decent.
Things changed rather fast afterwards.
His party has moved towards the middle, his ideas about a total social state are more or less dead. I do not know anyone who misses him.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 02:48 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

Why continue to hate? It is 23 years since she stopped governing and during that time a lot should have been changed for the better.


Because we're still picking up the pieces. She destroyed whole communities. There are family members who are still not on speaking terms because of what that woman did.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 03:07 am
I agree with Saab. No useful purpose is served by hating someone who is no longer in power, and is now dead. To deplore her policies and the effects is reasonable. To get one's guts in an uproar by futilely hating a corpse is not.
saab
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 03:48 am
@izzythepush,
Is there a national difference in being British and Swedish?
27 years or 23 years are not such a big difference.
The Swedes seem to have picked up the pieces and done a lot of repairs - the British are still suffering..
Or does it have to do with one was a conservative leader and the other one a socialistic leader?
Both contraversial, both hated, both same generation, both prime minesters.
He called Margaret Thatcher “a true extremist”.
What she called him I do not know.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 04:11 am
@saab,
Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive figure in UK politics for generations. There are those of the right who treat her with almost god-like reverence, on the left we see the damage that was inflicted which we're still paying the price for, literally. Our utilities cost a lot more now, SSE was fined a record amount recently for misselling, and a lot of communities in the North of England, the whole of Scotland and Wales have still not recovered.

If Scotland votes for independence it will be the memories of Thatcherism, triggered by her death, that tips it over the edge.
saab
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 04:36 am
@izzythepush,
It is the same with Olof Palme. He divided Sweden for years.
He was admired by the media and a group of leftist, but not by any liberal or conservative nor by many (majority?) of the social democrats.
They have not even found his murder, but have dozens of theories about what group it could have been.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 05:28 am
The point is not whether or not Thatcher was divisive and promoted policies which were destructive and from which the nation still suffers today. The point is, in line with the topic of the thread, that hating Thatcher is a useless emotion.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 05:33 am
@Setanta,
Only if you hate for hate's sake. If you use that hate to galvanise you into positive action, it can be beneficial.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 05:41 am
@izzythepush,
Not to put too fine a point on it, bullshit.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 05:41 am
You're just arguing for argument's sake now. Have fun, Bubba.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 09:07 am
@Setanta,
Dancing isn't an uproar and dancing never requires a useful purpose... it just makes you feel good.

I am going to enjoy dancing on her grave a little and have a little fun at her expense before I move on.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 09:13 am
@maxdancona,
Knock yourself out, i'm just saying that hating a corpse is an exercise in futility that does one no good.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 09:52 am
Apparently the BBC has a problem. Voters have driven "Ding dong the witch is dead" to the top of the BBC music chart.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/12/177019735/thatcher-critics-make-ding-dong-no-1-should-bbc-play-it?ft=1&f=1001
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 09:55 am
@Setanta,
She didn't ruin your country matey boy.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 09:58 am
@izzythepush,
Nor did Reagan ruin yours, jackass. If you want to broil your guts with a useless hatred, it's no skin off my nose.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you can't see the point.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 10:05 am
@Setanta,
I can see the point, you refuse to see it.

I was pretty quiet when Reagan died because it was the same day I was told my wife had less than a month to live.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 10:07 am
@engineer,


Proving America isn't the only country overpopulated with immature & childish dumbmasses.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 10:26 am
@izzythepush,
Which has nothing to do with the point that both Saab and i make, and which you are either incapable of or unwilling to acknowledge, which is that hating someone in such a circumstance is futile. If you want to get your guts in a uproar to no purpose, help yourself.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 10:54 am
@Setanta,
I want to broil my guts with the useful kind of hatred.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2013 11:00 am
@maxdancona,
Uh-huh . . . what kind of hatred is useful, Genius?
 

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