Should I hate Margaret Thatcher?

@OmSigDAVID,

I prefer the academic/university standard of spelling the word of tsar.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

I prefer the academic/university standard of spelling the word of tsar.

How did the change occur ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

I guess the academics in the US accept the European spelling for the royal position. I've taken two Russian history courses in my brief academic/college level career and both professors use the tsar while the textbooks and academic level history books use that spelling.

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@tsarstepan,

Erm....responding to Omsig on spelling is like responding to a wolverine on vegetarian cuisine.
Very Happy

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

I guess the academics in the US accept the European spelling for the royal position.
I've taken two Russian history courses in my brief cademic/college level career
and both professors use the tsar while the textbooks and academic level history books use that spelling.

The Russian title was taken from Julius Caesar, one of whose
ancestors was allegedly born of Caesarean section.
Caesar came to mean Emperor.
The German Kaiser derove of the same origin.
I have no information qua the origin, nor the reasoning, of the use of a t.

David

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

Erm....responding to Omsig on spelling is like responding to a wolverine on vegetarian cuisine.

Its only looking to the history of its etymological evolution.
Its interesting.
History is fun.

David

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Why hate, you can agree or disagree with her politics - all of it or part of it.
After her resignation in 1990, a poll found that 52% of Britons agreed that "On balance she had been good for the country". In April 2008, the Daily Telegraph commissioned a YouGov poll asking whom Britons regarded as the greatest post-World War II prime minister; Thatcher came in first, receiving 34% of the vote, while Winston Churchill ranked second with 15%.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Why hate, you can agree or disagree with her politics - all of it or part of it.
After her resignation in 1990, a poll found that 52% of Britons agreed that "On balance she had been good for the country". In April 2008, the Daily Telegraph commissioned a YouGov poll asking whom Britons regarded as the greatest post-World War II prime minister; Thatcher came in first, receiving 34% of the vote, while Winston Churchill ranked second with 15%.

Well, the Telegraph is awful.

O.k- the word 'Hate' is probably to strong. Dislike in conjunction with what she did would be a better term.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The Pentacle Queen wrote:

So far, I've only been able to get very biased opinions about her. She seems to be like Marmite.
Since I wasn't around to witness- should I hate her or not?

My Dad loves her, everyone at my university hates her.
I'm guessing my allegiance should probably lie with the latter...

If u favor personal freedom, then u shoud support her.
If u hate it, then u shoud hate her.

David

Teehee, so one notch to the left on the political spectrum and we're all communists all of a sudden?

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@The Pentacle Queen,

The Pentacle Queen wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The Pentacle Queen wrote:

So far, I've only been able to get very biased opinions about her. She seems to be like Marmite.
Since I wasn't around to witness- should I hate her or not?

My Dad loves her, everyone at my university hates her.
I'm guessing my allegiance should probably lie with the latter...

If u favor personal freedom, then u shoud support her.
If u hate it, then u shoud hate her.

David

Teehee, so one notch to the left on the political spectrum and we're all communists all of a sudden?

Well, a few notches to the right, and u r freedom lovers all of a sudden

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I agree with your father.

I enjoyed Maggie Thatcher.

She was almost a female version of Ronald Reagan.

David

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I think reading about her and her policies would be a good start. Then you can decide whether you approve or disapprove of her policies (or something inbetween) for yourself instead of deciding whether you're going to side with parents or friends.
I find myself to be inbetween. She was a bit more to the right rhetorically than i'd like, but as it goes, policy always follows mostly the same course, it has to, and the rest was far meeker than her rhetoric. Words and policy are quite distinct creatures. she had to let go of many of her plans.
But, she was a fighter and a great strategist and could pull people behind her, she does have my admiration as a statesman...states..person?

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you should hate all politicians, they are after all, politicians

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@OmSigDAVID,

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If u favor personal freedom, then u shoud support her.
If u hate it, then u shoud hate her.

That has to be one of the dumbest things you've said recently, David.

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@djjd62,

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you should hate all politicians, they are after all, politicians

There are still the rare bird of a respectable politician out there ...
Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Carolyn Maloney, et al....

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@OmSigDAVID,

I just got an email from my former professor at Framingham State College, Doctor Nicholas Racheotes:

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Wonderful to hear from you and of your subsequent study. The preferred spelling is tsar as czar is a Latinized and rather Polish spelling.
With every best wish,
N.R.

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@Merry Andrew,

Merry Andrew wrote:

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If u favor personal freedom, then u shoud support her.
If u hate it, then u shoud hate her.

That has to be one of the dumbest things you've said recently, David.

No; the leftist, anti-freedom parties
shall be held to account in the court of public opinion.

David

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@tsarstepan,

true, but you should never let them know, it makes them complacent

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

I just got an email from my former professor at Framingham State College, Doctor Nicholas Racheotes:

Quote:
Wonderful to hear from you and of your subsequent study.
The preferred spelling is tsar as czar is a Latinized and rather Polish spelling.
With every best wish,
N.R.

I doubt that the professor got the point.
The Boss of Russia ripped off Julius Caesar 's name
to use as a title. Apparently, thay tried to render
a crude fonetic spelling: C zar.

I am at a loss to understand where the idea of using a T came from.
The Russian wanted to impersonate a Pole ?
Invite the professor for Tuesday nite and we 'll discuss it.

P.S.: I have a hunch that Caesar was Latin.

David

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phonetically, david, it would be "car", not "czar".... if you read czar out loud phonetically, it would include the z....
that said, who the hell cares, both forms are correct, why not just move on.

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