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Another reason why I'm against capital punishment

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 06:03 pm
@Linkat,
Correct. There is no direct cause between an individual and deaths caused by society, so why should we get excited over society causing the deaths of murderers ? There is a direct cause between deaths in the poor and the amount of money we can get out of the rich. If we are to feel responsible for deaths, lets feel responsible for the many more poor killed by our society rather than murderers.

There are three reasons why the death penalty is not supported. 1) Some are trying to increase their position in small group dynamics. 2) Some are worried they might one day be murderers themselves. 3) Some are horrified by executions due to being reminded of their own death .
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 07:46 pm
@Ionus,
Well after cutting out a lot of the nonsense Ionus for once have a point bury in his posting.

The risk of someone ending up on death row and then being executed by error is so small that only very large exponent numbers would be needed to express the risk.

I cannot think of any risk off hand that would be lower, in fact, so why this heavy emotional reaction to a risk that is so small?

Seem to be a worthwhile risk to run for the overall benefit of society in punishing murderers.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:10 pm
@BillRM,
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why this heavy emotional reaction to a risk that is so small?


Because even one innocent life out of one million guilty ones, snuffed out by an executioner, is one too many and indefensible under any conditions.

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Seem to be a worthwhile risk to run for the overall benefit of society in punishing murderers.


It may seem that way to you. As for me, I fail to see the benefit to society in executing an innocent person. Furthermore, doesn't it seem a little strange to you that we try to teach people it is wrong to kill by killing some people?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:12 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

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why this heavy emotional reaction to a risk that is so small?


Because even one innocent life out of one million guilty ones, snuffed out by an executioner, is one too many and indefensible under any conditions.

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Seem to be a worthwhile risk to run for the overall benefit of society in punishing murderers.


It may seem that way to you. As for me, I fail to see the benefit to society in executing an innocent person. Furthermore, doesn't it seem a little strange to you that we try to teach people it is wrong to kill by killing some people?


My thinking exactly.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:29 pm
@Merry Andrew,
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Because even one innocent life out of one million guilty ones, snuffed out by an executioner, is one too many and indefensible under any conditions.
But apparently the conditions for the murderer are defensible ?

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Furthermore, doesn't it seem a little strange to you that we try to teach people it is wrong to kill by killing some people?
It seems a little strange to me that some people never learn it.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:39 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Because even one innocent life out of one million guilty ones, snuffed out by an executioner, is one too many and indefensible under any conditions.
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NONSENSE and I mean nonsense......

So we allow killers life sentences and they kill a prison guard or two every now and then as they had been known to do. that is fine with you.

They had also been known to had escaped into the general community placing all citizens at risk that is also fine with you correct?

Mass murderers that are known to had kill anywhere from a dozen to a few thousands are not punish by death that is also fine with you!

Yes it is indeed defensible to run the very small risk of killing someone by error in order to punish mass murderers and in order to give somone for example already under a life sentence a reason not to kill a guard or for that matter another inmate.

Now if you wish to talk about reducing the number of people given that punishment I will hear you out but not doing away with it in the case of a Ben Laden or even the DC sniper or such low lives as the man who walk into a dinner and kill four cops sittings at one of the tables.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 09:01 pm
@edgarblythe,
Yes my friend capital punishment along with the small risk of getting it wrong every millions time or so is worth it morally and every other way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briley_Brothers
Early lives
The brothers were born to a stable home with two parents in Northeastern Richmond, Virginia. With their younger sibling Anthony, Linwood and James were regarded by older neighbors as people who would help neighbors repair cars or mow lawns.

However, the brothers were increasingly dark and surreal. The three boys collected exotic pets, such as tarantulas, piranhas, and boa constrictors. It is also alleged that all three brothers engaged in zoosadism. Their father, James Briley, Sr., was unnerved enough by their behavior that he kept his bedroom door padlocked from the inside overnight. James Sr. was the only person the brothers feared.
First murder
In 1971, the first killing was committed by the then 16-year-old Linwood. While alone at home one day, he took aim with a rifle from his bedroom window and fatally shot Orline Christian, an elderly next door neighbor, as she passed by her window sill. The crime almost went undetected; however, her grieving relatives noticed a small bloody mark on her back at the viewing and asked the funeral director to re-examine the body. Upon a second examination, the director found a small caliber bullet wound in her back. Police investigators were contacted and they sought to find the source of the gunshot. Standing at the open window in her home where Mrs. Christian had been killed, a detective used a sheet of plywood to represent her body, with a hole cut out to represent the bullet wound. He soon determined that the bullet could only have come from the Briley home next door. There, the murder weapon was found and Linwood admitted to the crime with indifference: "I heard she had heart problems, she would have died soon anyway."
Linwood was sent to reform school to serve a one-year sentence for the killing. His young brother, James or "J.B." followed in his path at the same age, having been sentenced to time in juvenile hall for having pulled a gun and fired upon a police officer during a pursuit.
[edit] Murder spree
In 1979, the three Briley brothers and an accomplice, Duncan Meekins, began the seven month spree of random killings that terrified the city and the surrounding region.
[edit] William and Virginia Bucher
Their first attack occurred on March 12, when Linwood knocked on the door of Henrico County couple William and Virginia Bucher. Claiming that he had car trouble and needed to use their telephone, Linwood eventually forced his way into their home. At this point, he held the couple at gun point and waved his brother Anthony inside. The two Brileys tied up the couple and robbed the house, dousing each room with kerosene after picking it clean of valuables.
As they left, a lit match was tossed on the fuel. The two hurriedly packed their stolen loot " a television, CB radio, and jewelry into their trunk and drove out of the area. They were not around when Mr. Bucher managed to free himself and his wife from their restraints and escape just before the house became engulfed in flames. They would be the sole survivors of the rampage.
[edit] Michael McDuffie
Michael McDuffie, a vending machine serviceman, was murdered by the brothers at his suburban home on March 21. The brothers first assaulted McDuffie, before shooting him dead and stealing his valuables.
[edit] Mary Gowen
On April 9, the brothers followed 76-year-old Mary Gowen across town from her babysitting job. They followed her into her house, and violently raped her before she was murdered. The brothers escaped the residence with many of her valuables.
[edit] Christopher Philips
Seventeen-year-old Christopher Philips was seen hanging around Linwood Briley's parked car on July 4 by the gang members. Suspecting that he might have been trying to steal the vehicle, the gang surrounded him and dragged him into a nearby backyard. There he was wrestled to the ground by three brothers. When Philips screamed for help, Linwood murdered him by dropping a cinderblock on his skull.
[edit] John Gallaher
On September 14, disc jockey John "Johnny G." Gallaher was performing with his band at a South Richmond nightclub. Stepping outside between sets for a break, he inadvertently came right into the hands of the Briley brothers, having been looking around town for a victim all night without success. They decided to lie-in-wait for whoever might happen to step outside.
Gallaher was assaulted by Linwood and then put into the trunk of his own Lincoln Continental. He was then driven out to Mayo Island in the middle of the James River, where the remnants of an abandoned paper mill stood. There, he was removed from the trunk of his Lincoln Continental and shot dead at point blank range in the head. His body was then dumped into the river. The remains were found two days later. When arrested months later, Linwood was still wearing a ring stolen from Gallaher's hand.
[edit] Mary Wilfong
On September 30, 62-year-old private nurse Mary Wilfong was followed home to her Richmond apartment. The brothers surrounded her just outside the door and Linwood beat her to death with a baseball bat. The brothers then entered her apartment and robbed it of valuables.
[edit] Blanche Page and Charles Garner
Several days later on October 5, just two blocks from the Briley home on 4th Avenue in Richmond, 79-year-old Blanche Page and her 59-year-old boarder Charles Garner were both brutally murdered by the brothers. Page was bludgeoned to death while Garner was fatally assaulted with a variety of weapons, which included a baseball bat, five knives, a pair of scissors, and a fork. The latter two were left embedded in Garner's back.
[edit] The Wilkerson family
The final murders occurred against a long time neighborhood friend of the brothers, Harvey Wilkerson and his family. On the morning of October 19, having promised a judge earlier that day that he would stay out of trouble while out on parole for a 1973 robbery and malicious wounding conviction, J.B. led his brothers on the prowl for yet another victim that night.
Upon seeing the brothers presence down the street, Wilkerson, who lived with his 23-year-old wife Judy Barton (who was five months pregnant at the time) and her 5-year-old son Harvey, instinctively closed and locked his door. This action was noticed by the brothers, which then walked over to Wilkerson's front door. Terrified by their response if he refused them entry, Wilkerson allowed them in.
Both adults in the home were overpowered, bound and gagged with duct tape. Linwood Briley then assaulted Judy Barton into the kitchen, where she was raped within hearing distance of the others. Fellow gang member Duncan Meekins continued the sexual assault, after which Linwood dragged Barton back into the living room, briefly rummaged the premises for valuables, and then left the house.
The three remaining gang members covered their victims with sheets. J.B. told Meekins, "you've got to get one", at which point Meekins took a pistol and fatally shot Harvey Wilkerson in the head. J.B. then shot Barton and the 5-year-old boy to death.
Police happened to be in the general vicinity of the neighborhood, and later saw the gang members running down the street at high speed. They did not know where the shots had been fired. The bodies were not discovered until three days following the crime, but the brothers were all arrested soon afterwards.
[edit] Capture and incarceration
During interrogation by police, Duncan Meekins was offered a plea agreement in return for turning state's evidence against the Brileys. He took up the offer and offered a full detailing of the crime spree. As a result, he escaped the death penalty and was incarcerated at a Virginia prison away from any of the Briley brothers. The plea agreement gave him a sentence of life plus 80 years which at the time of conviction would make him eligible for parole after serving 12 to 15 years... Duncan Meekins is still in prison awaiting parole. The former prosecutors of the case as well as the Detective that arrested Duncan Meekins are publicly advocating his release to the parole board.
A single life sentence, with parole eligibility was handed down to Anthony Briley, youngest brother of the trio, due to his limited involvement in the killings.
Because of Virginia's triggerman statute, both J.B. and Linwood received numerous life sentences for murders committed during the spree, but faced capital charges only in cases where they had physically committed the actual killing of the victim.
Linwood was sentenced to death for the abduction and murder of John Gallaher, while J.B. received two death sentences, one each of the murders of Judy Barton and her son Harvey.
A Richmond judge presiding at one of the trials summed up the case following the verdict, "this was the vilest rampage of rape, murder and robbery that the court has seen in thirty years."
Both were sent to death row at Mecklenburg Correctional Center near Boydton in early 1980. There, they were disruptive inmates who used their guile and physical prowess to threaten both fellow inmates and officers. A flourishing drug and weapon trade operated in the prison under their command.
[edit] Escape
Linwood and J.B. Briley were the ringleaders in the six inmate escape from Virginia's death row at Mecklenburg Correctional Center on May 31, 1984. During the early moments of the escape, in which a coordinated effort resulted in inmates taking over the death row unit, both Brileys expressed strong interest in killing the officers that they had taken hostage. They went so far as to douse captive officers in lighter fluid and were prepared to toss in a lit match to complete the action. Willie Lloyd Turner, another death row inmate, stepped in the way of James Briley and forbade him from doing so. Meanwhile, cop killer Wilbert Lee Evans prevented Linwood Briley from raping a female nurse who had been taken hostage while en route to delivering medication to inmates in the unit. These events were featured on I.D. Channel in Escape from Death Row.
Splitting off from their two remaining free escapees at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Brileys went to live with their uncle in the north of the city. They were captured on June 19 by a heavily armed group of FBI agents and police. Returned to Virginia, few sought to plead for their lives to be spared.
[edit] Execution
In short order, the remaining appeals ran out for both brothers. They were executed in the electric chair at the Virginia State Penitentiary. Linwood was put to death in Virginia's electric chair on October 12, 1984. James Briley was executed in the same manner on April 18 of the following year.
Their younger brother Anthony remains incarcerated in Virginia's corrections system and comes up for parole consideration every few years. To date, all his applications for parole have been denied by the state parole board.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 09:12 pm
We could go the route that Germany seem to had done and just pretend we do not have capital punishment but every now and then a troublesome lifer will be found having committed suicide in his cell.

See the strange case of the five or so of the former Red Guard terrorist’s members who just happen to had all hung themselves at the same time in a German prison.



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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 10:11 pm
Are you guys through cutting and pasting? I would like to see you two death advocates get convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Then be exonerated two minutes before the sentence gets carried out.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 03:16 am
@edgarblythe,
Are you guys through cutting and pasting? I would like to see you two death advocates get convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Then be exonerated two minutes before the sentence gets carried out.
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Fine dear heart and I would like you to go to a man who young daughter was raped and then bury alive with her doll and tell him that the monster who did it is more then likely to outlive him because of your academic concerns about a one in a million chance of killing the wrong person someday.

A river of blood can flow by you of innocence men women and children and you have no concern at all but an academic risk can not be taken in order to punish their killers.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 03:20 am
@edgarblythe,
Here some more cutting and pasting you do not care for and once more I would like to see you go to this family and tell them how it would be morally wrong to put John Evander Couey to death.
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TAMPA, Fla. " A 9-year-old girl was raped, bound and buried alive, kneeling and clutching a purple stuffed dolphin, state prosecutors said in documents released Wednesday.

Jessica Lunsford's (search) body was found March 19 buried about 150 yards from her house in Homosassa, about 60 miles north of Tampa.

According to the documents, Jessica was found wearing shorts and a shirt " different from the pink nightgown her family said she was wearing when they reported her missing Feb. 24, The Tampa Tribune said in its online edition late Wednesday.

The body was wrapped in two plastic trash bags knotted at her head and feet in a grave covered by a mound of leaves, the state attorney's office said in the documents.

Jessica died of asphyxiation, according to a coroner's report. A convicted sex offender,John Evander Couey (search), 46, is charged in her slaying.

Officials said they believe Jessica may have been alive in Couey's home while police and volunteers searched for her. After she was killed, Couey fled to Georgia.

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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 03:29 am
Just a reminder:

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Capital punishment is a barbarous survival from a less enlightened and refined age; it is incongruous and incompatible with our present standard of civilization and humanity. It has been abolished by many states and countries, and we must look forward to the day when the other governments will follow suit.

The arguments against capital punishment are many and cogent, but the pleas advanced in its favor are few and specious.

Punishment is supposed to be for the protection of society, and for the reformation of the wrongdoer. It purports to protect society by preventing the same criminals from repeating their crimes, and by acting as a deterrent to other prospective criminals. Capital punishment is a notorious failure in these respects. It does indeed remove the particular culprit from the possibility of repeating his crime; but this is of very small account in view of the fact that murder is seldom a career of repeated acts, but consists of single acts perpetrated by different individuals. The man whom we remove from the scene, therefore, is not the man who, if suffered to live, would have been likely to endanger our safety.

As a deterrent to other murderers, likewise, the death penalty has proved a signal failure, as may be seen by comparing the criminal statistics of those countries where the punishment is in force with those of countries where it has been abolished. Nor is the reason of this failure far to seek. Murders are nearly always committed in sudden fits of passion or temporary insanity, when no consideration of reason or self-interest can appeal to the doer. Further, such uncertainty attends the consummation of the death sentence -- due to the natural hesitation and inclination to mercy of judge and jury, to the chances of reprieve and commutation -- that this penalty is far less deterrent than are those penalties which, though less severe, are also more certain. Finally, we have not answered the question whether there are not other and more effective deterrents; and, there are such deterrents, in comparison with which capital punishment is seen to be clumsy and ineffectual in the extreme.

As to the reformative character of punishment, it is scarcely necessary to point out that capital punishment effectually removes all possibility of this by cutting short the life of the wrongdoer and thus taking away both his chance of reform and our opportunity of discharging the duty of reforming him.

Capital punishment is irrevocable, and the errors of justice cannot be rectified. All possibility of reconsideration is taken away. Innocent persons have been hanged, and judge, jury, and the whole legal machinery involved have thereby been made privy to the very crime they sought to punish. In view of the very uncertain and unequal character of our merely human endeavors to mete out justice, no proceedings of ours should be of this irrevocable character. So complex and uncertain is the process of sifting whereby finally a few individuals are sorted out from the mass and consigned to punishment, that the selection seems largely arbitrary, and we find that the actual convicts are no worse, and some perhaps even better, than many whom the hand of the law never reaches. What principle of equity or reason can justify us in singling out for our harshest treatment, by so haphazard a method, a few individuals who for the most part manifest no particular reasons why they, and they alone, should be so treated?

Capital punishment sins most by depriving the culprit of his chances of reformation. As a weaker brother, who has fallen through causes that are inherent in our social structure, and for which we are all more or less responsible, he should claim our care and protection. Our duty to society is fulfilled by isolating the dangerous man for so long as he may continue to be dangerous. As for deterrent action, this should be compassed, not by fear, but by reformative and protective measures in our social policy. The only way to destroy a criminal is by reforming the man who is a criminal. To destroy his bodily life is nothing but a stupid blunder.

When the physical life of a criminal is cut short by this summary and unnatural means, we do not bring to an end thereby the evil passions which prompted the crime. They are not slain; they continue to exist. And, having no longer a bodily tenement, they must wander abroad to prey upon the community and inspire fresh deeds of horror in weak and unbalanced natures whom they obsess. Thus are accounted for those mysterious outbursts of crime which are distinguished by the frequent confession, "I do not know why I did it, but something came over me." In view of this fact, the folly of capital punishment is more glaring than ever.

Capital punishment is tantamount to a repudiation of the divine nature of man. On what principles of religion or philosophy can we justify the policy of depriving a human being like ourselves of all possibility of reform? If we profess to revere a God of mercy and justice, and if we ourselves supplicate and rely on that divine mercy and justice, how can we reconcile it with our duty, as men created in the divine image, to dismiss thus roughly a fellow human being from our midst and send him into the presence of the Deity whom we have outraged? Surely it is our duty and our privilege to be the agents of divine justice and mercy, and to exert to the utmost our god-given powers in the endeavor to assist our fallen brother to his feet.

It is well within the power of existing governments to provide means whereby murderers, as well as other criminals, can be isolated in institutions where they can be humanely treated as patients or people of unsound mind. And this must be made part of a general campaign of educative and remedial treatment of crime outside prison walls. Otherwise prisons will be -- what they too often are -- places for disposing of the materials which we manufacture outside. This process of first carefully manufacturing criminals and then killing them is an insult to our intelligence and culture. We must stop making them; and, if made, we must reform them.

Members of the Universal Brotherhood and Theosophical Society have had large experience in prison work, and this experience has shown them that the most apparently hopeless cases will respond to the right treatment. The only reason why such cases have not responded before is that they have never met with the right treatment. All too frequently their self-respect, already so diminished, has been altogether taken away by the reiterated assurance that they are wicked and hopeless. Sinfulness has been preached to them, and thus prison has become a place for the destruction of character. Theosophy begins by insisting upon the fact that all men are divine, and that no case is hopeless. The culprit is told that he possesses within himself a divine power of self-reform, and is shown how to invoke it. His lost self-respect is restored, and from that time on he is encouraged to pull himself together and overcome his weaknesses. Many are the tales which Katherine Tingley, and those who have worked with her in the prisons, can tell of reconstituted characters which, from being the worst of the worst, have become sources of wonder to their keepers, and powers of help to their fellow prisoners. It is the earnest desire of these prison workers to demonstrate to as many people as possible the efficacy of this way of handling prisoners, so that there may no longer be any excuse for resorting to barbarous punishments, and so that civilization at large may have a criminal policy worthy of the present status of culture.

The world is passing through a crucial stage and the newborn spirit of a kindly intelligence is struggling for manifestation. A new law of human life has been impressed upon us and is superseding the old ideas that served us provisionally in the past. The essence of this law is mercy, brotherhood. But humanity needs help and light in its endeavors to readjust its practices to its new and broader principles, its finer feelings. This help theosophy can give. By abolishing capital punishment in those places where it still prevails, society at large can register in telling form its protest against all that is unbrotherly, craven in spirit, ruthless, unintelligent. The new law which we all recognize allows no scope for punishment at all -- except in the reformative sense.

Anger and fear are passions, and retribution may be left to the eternal justice. Why then should we continue to justify by legal sanction a procedure which, if committed privately, would be murder pure and simple? Why should the State, which represents the people, continue to do in cold calculation deeds which the mere criminal only perpetrates in the heat of passion and madness? In truth no reason can be urged in justification except such reasons as rest on a repudiation of our divinity and our responsibility as divine beings to our fellowman. Theosophists therefore appeal to humanity to lay aside its fears, its prejudices, and its anger, and to replace them by a large-hearted intelligence; and to gain new confidence in the irresistible power of a strong and pure motive. Instead of resorting to clumsy and inefficacious methods of obviating the evils which we permit to grow, let us grapple with the whole question patiently and manfully, assisting our fallen brother in every way instead of heaping fresh woes and disabilities upon him.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 03:44 am
@Francis,
Francis you and the author of this piece and my friend Edgarblth can all go together to the family home of the 9 year old Jessica Lunsford and tell her family how it is wrong very wrong to put Mr. Covey painlessly to death for raping and then burying their little girl alive so she can die slowly in the cold dark ground.


Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:03 am
@Francis,
Who wrote that quote ?

It is full of left wing dogma. The money spent keeping a murderer alive is better spent eslewhere, saving children for example. Just because you might murder someone one day is no reason for anyone else to believe that prolonged piece of twisted word wreckage that you think is well thought out.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:04 am
@BillRM,
The text I posted was not from a single author but was:
Quote:
A Summary of Arguments Presented at a Meeting of the Men's International Theosophical League of Humanity, March 31, 1914


I'd like to go and talk to the parents of Jessica.

No matter how painful their ordeal can be, killing people because they killed people themselves is not going to improve humankind.

I do believe that there are reasons greater than mere revenge and, in the whole, as humanity improves, less and less of those crimes will occur...

But I also know that it takes a lot of thinking and analysing and some people will not indulge in such readily..
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:11 am
@Francis,
Perhaps you also know their are human rights and at some stage you lose them. Horrific crimes that insult our instincts deserve the death penalty. You keep your thinking and analysing for impressing your next sexual conquest. Me ? I want to put a bullet in the brain pan of these low lifes. Perhaps if you are murdered your generosity will mean something by pardoning your killer. In the mean time, your philosophising does a lot of damage to society. People live in fear and murder will get you 3 years in gaol.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:25 am
Ionus wrote:
You keep your thinking and analysing for impressing your next sexual conquest.
Never thought it could do but thanks for the hint. I'll try when I'll be preoccupied with such matters...

and wrote:
Me ? I want to put a bullet in the brain pan of these low lifes.
Never expected otherwise from someone who was in the military for so long..

and wrote:
In the mean time, your philosophising does a lot of damage to society.
Oh, yeah? Care to talk about figures?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:27 am
@Francis,
Quote:
Oh, yeah? Care to talk about figures?
Sure.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:28 am
@Francis,
To be frank I would not wish for you to add to their pain with your nonsense and yes indeed killing the mad dogs amount us is going to improve the human race.

There is no punishment also short of death that come anywhere near to fitting the crime of burying a little girl alive after raping her.

In fact burying the killer alive instead of painlessly killing him would fit even better.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 04:42 am
I had a friend who was murdered because the attacker thought he had money. He was killed with the murderers knife by multiple stab wounds to the chest and heart and the judge gave him 3 years imprisonment, but he was paroled in 2. Was he reformed ? Did he learn new ways to rob and murder in gaol ? Or maybe he just did weights and came out big enough to kill an arresting Police officer with his bare hands. 2 years for murder.
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