Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:01 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Also, how plants react to human voice. Strange but true.
Yes, plants does indeed respond to human voice, but it's not because of it's human, but because it's sound. Myth Busterd did make a test with tomato plants, those plants that didn'thave any sound at all, didn't grow as much as those who had noise, music and sweet talk.


Hi Hex, are you by any chance a biologist. that may help us as you have some studies which you know off hand.

The tomoto plant experiment is quite interesting. Just to throw a crazy idea, can the tomato plant grow less if it is bombarded with curse words or foul words. .......... If it does not, i may be inclined to think that it has intelligence and consciousness.......... which will result to a situation that i may not be able to cut the tomatoes to put into my curry.......... Laughing
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:15 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
Jackofalltrades phil wrote:
Hi Hex, are you by any chance a biologist. that may help us as you have some studies which you know off hand.

The tomoto plant experiment is quite interesting. Just to throw a crazy idea, can the tomato plant grow less if it is bombarded with curse words or foul words. .......... If it does not, i may be inclined to think that it has intelligence and consciousness.......... which will result to a situation that i may not be able to cut the tomatoes to put into my curry.......... Laughing
Sorry I'm no biologist, but I'm sure we can look up and study whatever you should come up with of questions. Smile

Wouldn't be so conserned with cutting tomatoes, in nature such veggies would have been eaten by animals or insects instead, so why shouldn't humans? Wink
Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:38 am
@HexHammer,
Ahh!.......... you are right.

ps:.......BTW, i was kidding!
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:54 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
Jackofalltrades phil wrote:
ps:.......BTW, i was kidding!
Ah! Hehe, guess I'v been reading too many hysterical philosopher's ramblings, hard to distinct these days.
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Berendey
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2010 04:34 pm
Apparently the intelligency in the Marxist sense means the ability to exchange the intangible to tangible, to give off a so-so idea and get a good meal. =)
north
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2010 09:28 pm

free-will
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 05:18 pm
@Berendey,
Berendey wrote:

Apparently the intelligency in the Marxist sense means the ability to exchange the intangible to tangible, to give off a so-so idea and get a good meal. =)
Yearh, and that's 1 of the reasons why his philosophy and doctrins failed, he had very poor understanding of intelligence and psycollogy.
Berendey
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 10:15 am
@HexHammer,
You are definitely right.
Marx poorly represented what would follow capitalism.
However, he was convinced that this will be a society with enlarged possibilities. He demonstrated this by the fact that each successive stage of development of the society gave a person more freedom. To achieve the next level, he proposed abolishing private property. And it was the largest of its mistake.
He believed that to improve the welfare of sufficient scientific ideology in a fair state. And significant part of people believed him.
And for 4000 years in past the ancient magicians, the scientists of primitive society had offered to build Stonehenge for a better life too. And they also were believed.
Primitive people were ruled by "intellectual relations of production".
It force people to work "for a bare idea".
People used to believe intellectuals. Intellectuals have the knowledge, able to defeat the disease and help in distress.
Marx did not pay much attention to such ancient forms of production relations as "intelligency's". And the people to build socialism has lifted the ancient relations of production more high than the most recent relations.
But it was a hindrance to the development of well-being. Thus the overall law of Marx concerning the inhibitory effect of outdate relations of production onto the basis of economic has been confirmed in reality once more!
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 11:00 am
@Berendey,
Yes, yes! ..eeeh ..what? I'm not sure what ur writing here.
Berendey wrote:
Marx concerning the inhibitory effect of outdate relations of production onto the basis of economic has been confirmed in reality once more!
Berendey
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 05:16 pm
@HexHammer,
Do you consider that this law is not valid?
Imagine priests of Delphic oracle or medieval knights headed your community.
Will it be enough technocratic society?
Maybe that my sentence isn't clear?
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 06:01 pm
@Berendey,
I have no idea if it's invalid or valid, because I dont' understand what ur saying.
Berendey
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 03:18 am
@HexHammer,
Fine! Thanks for you are frankly saying that.
It provokes me to mobilise my average intellectual and verbal abilities to more detailed explanations.
I am developing the materialistic theoretical model for systematisation of kinds of human interests. And some laws, rules and approaches of Marx's theory I found out are rather suitable for my model.
For example, he has noticed:
"The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers".
http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_I?match=en

But what the people of intellectual occupations were before the age of bourgeoisie? They might be slaves in Rome Empire or they might be powerful priests at Egyptian temples. Were there any times when the intelligency is the ruling class?
The answer is: - Surely they were posessing the supreme power very often in the very ancient epoches.
Do you remember patriarch Moses? =)
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 08:12 am
@Berendey,
I think I see what your getting at, you want the wise and law enforcers to be leaders, which seems futile, a councelor is indeed wise, but it takes more than just wisdom to rule a country, it takes integrety, will power, guts to make unpopular decitions, foresight ..etc, so many things not found in mere knowledge and wisdom that can be learned from books, without these factors things will often go terrible wrong.

I'v been in a big newspaper, and there's suprizingly few suited people even though they have high education, and right papers.
north
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:01 pm
@HexHammer,

free-will

the ability to get beyond the bounds of known knowledge

the ability to think outside the box , which leads to a new discovery
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:48 pm
@north,
north wrote:


free-will

the ability to get beyond the bounds of known knowledge

the ability to think outside the box , which leads to a new discovery
Yes, but ur points only make out say 1/10 of free will.
north
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:50 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer wrote:

north wrote:


free-will

the ability to get beyond the bounds of known knowledge

the ability to think outside the box , which leads to a new discovery
Yes, but ur points only make out say 1/10 of free will.


and the other 9/10 are ?
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:52 pm
@north,
north wrote:
and the other 9/10 are ?
Group think, flock instinct, compulsery behaviour, psycosis, skitzo' ..etc.
north
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 08:23 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer wrote:

north wrote:
and the other 9/10 are ?

Group think, flock instinct, compulsery behaviour, psycosis, skitzo' ..etc.


why ?

HexHammer
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:40 pm
@north,
north wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

north wrote:
and the other 9/10 are ?

Group think, flock instinct, compulsery behaviour, psycosis, skitzo' ..etc.


why ?


..lol?
north
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:47 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer wrote:

north wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

north wrote:
and the other 9/10 are ?

Group think, flock instinct, compulsery behaviour, psycosis, skitzo' ..etc.


why ?


..lol?


just explain , once you get over your lol .....
 

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