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Proof of nonexistence of free will

 
 
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:18 am
@Dasein,
'Knowing' what to take to heart and what not to is key..
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 03:28 am
@JPLosman0711,
...What "algorithm of meaning" fits my direct interest...is that what your talking about ? Selecting information on an emotional basis ? hmmm...
That is to learning like GPS is to Navigation skills...
guigus
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:05 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Got brainz? This blond sure does and she speaks about free will as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVcj3BAes04&feature=related


People don't get that reducing everything to objectivity is as silly as reducing everything to subjectivity. The answer to dualism is not favoring one part of the duality against the other -- it is rather finding the rational way by which they both coexist.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:48 am
What Dualism for Christ sake ? "Matter" and "Spirit" is just information !
Even if it where true that there are these two "substances", that which makes them different is just the adding or the lacking of more dimensions or levels on how information gets assembled...but so it happens that one of them gets to be called "material" because it implies the presence of touch, that is, a sensorial coordinate that it can affect...one more in the line of "programming" in it, which technically differentiates it from "Spirit"...the very difference from which we project the solving of all our little pitiful species frustrations associated with our "fleshfull" circumstance... in the 21 century the all thing is just nonsense... arghhhhhh !!! Rolling Eyes

But if to reclaim the "Salvation" of the terms how should we Philosophically think on it ?

Just what "could be" the "SPIRIT" then ?

1 - The dynamic...the manifestation...the Phenomena...the "Breathing" of the thing...(from the Latin "SPIRARE")

And "Matter" ? (in contrast)

2 - That which is Final !...That which Change cannot change...the Being beyond History...the simultaneity of all times and all thing in the unity of "Existence" !...(hell, its not even about our daily concept of matter)

Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 09:13 am
BEING is not about Final Cause but instead beyond Cause..."Cause"at this light is an apparent "side effect" and not a thing in true right...therefore BEING is more about assembling the SET of POSSIBLE as the "EXISTING" in opposition to Nothingness !...(which conceptually is the Shadow of it, and not nothing as nothing...which cannot even be conceptualized)
...and THAT IS SUBSTANCE !!! "Matter" that is...the irreducible as it was symbolically meant in the Atom ! (Not about "actual" Atoms...)
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JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 01:20 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
What I'm talking about is 'filtering' the 'transmission' to assure accuracy, unfortunately it has to be filtered because people who DON'T KNOW think they do.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:00 pm
@JPLosman0711,
To whom are you referring there ?
Because I can justify further if needed, since my previous reply, do to convenience was pretty much metaphorical in the form of expression but accurate conceptually...

Look for instance at the example of all possible combinations of straight lines in the screen of a basic calculator...you get an eight as number, and a set of eights filling up the area in the screen...that as figure of speech is "Being" in my "math" book...all possible combinations of information...that is the "matter" as the irreducible of what is potential...by contrast the "spirit" would be the transition between algorithmic number combinations as they go given rules of nature...and there you have the "anima", the dynamic, or the pattern in which Being is unveiled phenomenologically...
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:17 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
That which can be given conceptually can be accepted as such. Guess where the concept came from in the first place!? YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Become The Conscioussness!!!!!!!!!
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JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:20 pm
And as far as the topic of this menaingless thread is concerned, and to its author I have this to say - YOU ARE THE WILL THAT WHICH IS FREE!!!!!
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:28 pm
@JPLosman0711,
But it is n´t free !!! its done ! Remember ? all possible combinations predicted in Being as the possible...you cannot transcend Being which is All and One simultaneously...I guess one can say it is " free" in the sense it is what it is...like "it wants to be what it can, or what (already) it is (given, once ALL, then above Time)" if you get my meaning... Wink
guigus
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:46 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

But it is n´t free !!! its done ! Remember ? all possible combinations predicted in Being as the possible...you cannot transcend Being which is All and One simultaneously...I guess one can say it is " free" in the sense it is what it is...like "it wants to be what it can, or what (already) it is (given, once ALL, then above Time)" if you get my meaning... Wink


Having free will is the same as being undetermined, hence unpredictable, it has to do with the impossibility of knowing for sure what will be, even if knowing all possibilities: possibilities are not actualities.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 04:54 pm
@guigus,
Again one is mixing an epistemic problem with an Ontic one...
Every possible will be actual eventually given enough time or enough big bangs...it follows quite easily from what I said previously...you have to transcend time through the possible like it was explained in the example from the screen of the calculator...
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 05:09 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Be-ing is Be-ing, it is what you would call 'freedom' because it is in and of itself what it is.

Stop conceptualizing, I promise you it's a waste of 'your' time.

I'm going to give you a little hint, 'you' ARE the so called 'external' world.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:08 pm
@JPLosman0711,
I am past external or internal...its the same, it really does n´t matter much...
Either I am an "inflection" of the entire reality at one point in which case the external becomes the internal, since it makes me, or I as the "internal in relation" with the all external (directly or Indirectly) affect the entire Reality in which case I make it...I don´t even need a solipsist approach to get to the same conclusion there...

You are trying to determine the location of the source (in or out) and thus incurring in the same mistake you take me to be committing (which I am not)...
I don´t care much about that given my concern is Ontological and the direction of the source is irrelevant to what I am trying to stablish which is the PERMANENCE OF BEING...
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:13 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
? All I heard were a bunch of bullshit concepts you're using to re-present Be-ing.

The hereafter is NOW. Internal/external are one in the same, and Be-ing happens RIGHT NOW. Always has, always will be.

That's all there IS.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:29 pm
I am not here to preach to you...I honestly believe that my conception is feasible and acceptable...if you cannot see it as I do, well, its up to you...nothing, no point to prove...

now...bullshit is that insane idea of freedom that so many are desperate to defend...I would very much love to ear you defining freedom in an acceptable manner...that would be a challenge...Freedom ? from what ???

Besides, what does the RIGHT NOW has to do with the WHERE ???
I or ALL, the same...you don´t even get it, do you?...beyond the point...(focus)

Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:35 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Any'THING' That can be conceptually given can be accepted as such. So of course YOUR conceptions are feasible and acceptable(DURRRR) - Everyone's are. This is the problem, this is what YOU need to be freed from!!!!!!!
The concepts of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:44 pm
@JPLosman0711,
All concepts are acceptable in the manner that they are "REAL" functions...we went through that a while ago...yes they are valid, given they represent a point of view, from agent X at point space/time Y...the possible one in that "frame" on that location, given W algorithmic interactions...

...is a cube less of a cube given different descriptions from different spatial points of view in relation to it ? Apply that to language, and ultimately to the Whole as Information...you have a huge amount of layers and they all speak about the same...
...the thing is I get what you are at...you in turn cannot see the other side of the coin...a pity as you have shown potential...
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:51 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
By having 'concepts' you make the destinction between internal and external. This of course does not exist, so therefor a CONCEPT is 'created'. This is the 'prison' 99.9999999999999999% of the population has been dealing with for over 2500 years.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:58 pm
@JPLosman0711,
Well that´s the thing you see...(trying) not having concepts is yet another concept...you cannot escape it...that´s the greatest of illusions...whatever you do, it was done once at given time space...even if you go otherwise in parallel universes, still the view is valid...you LIVE your concepts and in their truth Be-ing "explains" BEING...
 

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