Obama made a terrible decision re Afghanistan

@H2O MAN,

I think I'd rather not, thanks.

@msolga,

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Maybe that community did not exactly welcome the presence of the crazy killer.)

I don't know about the community of Afghanistan, but the leadership, the Taliban, did and they have basically retaken Afghanistan again.

On the other hand, it seems that now most of Afghanistan prefers the Taliban rather than the current corrupt leadership. The Taliban has shown no evidence it has changed it allegiance to either AQ or its oppressive form of government.

There are no easy answers.

Many Afghans prefer decisive rule to disarray of Karzai government

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@revel,

No, no easy answers.

I just read this on the BBC's news site. :

Afghanistan 'unable to pay for troops for 15 years'
Page last updated at 13:28 GMT, Tuesday, 8 December 2009

Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai has warned that it will take 15 years before the country is able to pay for the cost of its own security forces.

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After talks with visiting US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, Mr Karzai said he hoped the US and the international community would continue funding them.

Mr Gates said the US would not turn away from Afghanistan and abandon it.

His unannounced arrival in Kabul came a week after US President Barack Obama said he was sending 30,000 more troops.

Nato member states have agreed to deploy another 7,000 soldiers between them. ...<cont>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8400806.stm

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@msolga,

Now that's really rather silly.

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@revel,

And what do you expect the Afghani's to do after the US invaded their country; Afghanistan didn't attack the WTC and now because they defend themselves against US aggression you label them terrorists, you should think before mouthing off.

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@H2O MAN,

Well, you see H20 man, the only time I've seen that term used (for your president), it's been by folk who are saying very insulting things, in a pretty nasty way. I've felt offended on his behalf, as it seems so rude & disrespectful.

OK, if you want, you may explain (very briefly, please) what it means & why you think it's & reasonable title to call President Obama by that name.

Personally, I think people would take your comments more seriously if you called him President Obama, or just plain Obama ... I know I would.

But let's not derail this thread, OK? Wink

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@msolga,

PrezBO = Prezident Barack Obama

It's not insulting, nasty, offensive, rude or disrespectful.

What PrezBO is doing to America is insulting, nasty, offensive, rude and disrespectful.

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@H2O MAN,

The only time I've seen it used is by folk who intend to offend. Truly. Thank you for the brevity.

Now, hopefully, back to the thread topic ...

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@msolga,

VOICE OF AMERICA has a similar post .
VOA is pretty reliable , i'd hope ???

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Karzai-Estimates-20-Years-Before-Afghan-Security-Is-Independent-78765637.html

two familiar faces ( address given 8 december ) .

http://media.voanews.com/images/480*358/AP_Kabul_Karzai_Gates_security_Afghanistan_8dec09.jpg

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Karzai, Gates Agree Afghans Need Long-Term International Commitment

During a news conference in Kabul with U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Mr. Karzai repeated his hope that Afghan forces will be able to take the lead for security in five years.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai says it could take 20 years for Afghanistan to be able to pay for its own security, although he has said he hopes his new army and police force will be able to take over security control in five years. President Karzai spoke at a joint news conference in Kabul with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

President Karzai says ambitious plans for a large, modern Afghan army are simply more than the country can afford for a long time.

"For a number of years, maybe for another 15 to 20 years, Afghanistan will not be able to sustain a force of that capability and nature with its own resources," Mr. Karzai said.

so what's 15-20 years between friends ?
so let's check back in another 15-20 years .
we might know at that time ... or not ...

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@hamburgboy,

The 18-month exit strategy announced by Obama belongs on the laffer curve.

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@hamburgboy,

It's looking like a very long & expensive haul, isn't it?

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@msolga,

Always on topic Cool

Obama's plans for AFG are wrong and dangerous, luckily the generals in charge still have
some say in what happens and this will save the lives of many American and NATO warriors.

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@msolga,

That's the reason I was against Obama's 30,000 troops for Afghanistan. He's essentially committed our troops to a no end, no win, war.

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@cicerone imposter,

hi , c.i . :
do you have a cocktail napkin handy ?

http://castroller.com/podcasts/RadioProjectFront/1322314

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One of the fundamental economic principles of the so called Reagan revolution was jotted on the back of a cocktail napkin in 1974. As legend has it, the infamous Laffer Curve was first drawn by economist Arthur Laffer on a cocktail napkin during a small dinner meeting at a Washington Hotel attended by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.

o.k. , let's get a slightly bigger napkin .

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's the reason I was against Obama's 30,000 troops for Afghanistan.
He's essentially committed our troops to a no end, no win, war.

130,000 additional front line troops would have been the smart move.
Put them in, allow them to do what they do best, let them be victorious and bring them all home.

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@hamburgboy,

hbg, That happens to people who do not understand fundamental principles of economics. They only remember things that their party leaders speak on without much background in evidence or facts. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that GW Bush's tax cuts actually harmed tax revenues, and increased our deficit. Not only did the feds fall into a deeper deficit hole, but many states and local governments got the shaft; they kept trying to spend money they didn't have, and most went bankrupt. They still haven't learned their lessons after all these years. They never learned to live within their means; tax revenues.

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@cicerone imposter,

Anybody that thinks PrezBO understands the fundamental principles needed to improved our economic situation is sadly mistaken.

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I'm disappointed in Obama but not surprised. I always said he wasn't ready for the job and would be unable to successfully swim with the sharks. I was told I was stupid because Obama had to be brilliant because of the way he beat Hillary. Well now he's like a dog thats caught a car. I like the guy, I respect his intellect and still am glad McCain and the cocktail waitress aren't there... but he's in over his head.

His failure to deliver on healthcare, this Afghanistan blunder, his inability to get his way or use the power of his office to unite his own party, his UTTER failure to show any spine with the minorty party.... should've elected Hillary. Should I be wrong, should he have some brilliant moves up his sleeve he's playing close... I'll eat crow. I'll enjoy it and be happy to.

I now don my flame proof atire.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

BPB, I going to don my flame suits too, because I also voted for Obama thinking he was going to be tough and tell the truth - at least most of the time. Everybody now knows he kept very little of his campaign promises, and in fact followed suit on some of GW Bush's policies that isn't even close to being "liberal."

I'm not yet ready to write him off, because he still has 3/4s of his term left, but it doesn't look very good from where I sit.

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm afraid I expected just this but would have voted for anyone to keep Palin away from the White House. I was going to sit the electionout as you may recall but in the end couldn't in good conscience

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