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Obama made a terrible decision re Afghanistan

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2009 06:53 pm
@H2O MAN,
That's what the prize is supposed to be for. An acknowledgment of such effort.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2009 06:58 pm
@msolga,
Understood, but what effort(s) earned Obama the prize?
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2009 06:59 pm
@H2O MAN,
You'd have to ask the committee about the details to know for sure.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2009 07:21 pm
@msolga,
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 09:25 pm
Oh, H2O man. I like your posts but you missed on this one. Don't you know that all that is required for people to get Peace Prizes is to TALK a good game?
Real contributions are not necessary. They gave the Peace Prize to one of the most useless idiots in American History--Jimmy Carter.
The Socialist Europeans are dead set on knocking the US from its position as the best country in the world. They know that Socialists and One Worlders like President Obama will help in the effort!
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 09:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
C icerone Imposter evidently has not advanced beyond fourth grade History.

Read carefully, CI. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". History Lesson # 47.

Who were our enemies in World War II?

The Nazis: The Japs and The Italian Fascists

Who helped us fight them?

The Soviet Union.

Did we give the Soviets any material help?

Tons and tons of material, trucks, oil, etc along with financial help

Who blockaded Berlin in 1948 to cause the beginning of the "cold war"?

The Soviets!

EVEN AFTER WE GAVE THEM TONS OF MATERIAL AND HELP!

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"( until he become my enemy)

A
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 09:57 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
That's what the prize is supposed to be for. An acknowledgment of such effort.
They are an acknowledgement of success not effort. The whole concept of giving them for Peace is highly politicised. They usually give them to terrorists like Nelson Mandela, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin.
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 10:19 pm
@Ionus,
Terrorists? Why Nelson Mandela was not a terrorist. Ask President Obama. I think the President, or one of his cronies, is planning to elevate Mandela to sainthood. I, on the other hand, had hopes that he would have been dispatched with a shiv while in Prison.

I am waiting for the conflation of several of the Peace Prize winners in one picture:

What a great photo it would be:

On the left, Nelson Mandela, next, Barack Obama, next Yasser Arafat, then, Jimmy Carter and, a surprise-Rigoberta Menchu.

And, who is Rigoberta? A prime example of the idiocy and lack of vetting done by the Peace Committee.

Note:



In the book, Menchú maintained that her family was actively involved in fighting against their subjugation by wealthy Guatemalans of European descent and the Guatemalan government. She also claimed that her father, Vicente Menchú, had founded the peasant movement known as the Committee for Campesino Unity. Instead, Stoll and New York Times journalist Larry Rohter found that Vicente Menchú, while poor, was relatively prosperous by local Mayan standards. As leader of his community, he won a 27.53 km² land grant from the Guatemalan government. Unfortunately, his success led to a long-running dispute with his wife's relatives, in the Tum family, who claimed some of the same land. During the late 1970s, when Vicente Menchú's daughter claimed that he was an underground radical political organizer, he was at home in his village of Chimel working with U.S. Peace Corps volunteers.

In her 1982 life story, Menchú claimed that she and her family had been forced to work as peons on a distant coastal plantation for eight months of the year, as millions of other impoverished Mayan farmworkers continue to do every year. According to neighbors, however, the family was sufficiently well-off to avoid this fate. Menchú also claimed that her father refused to allow her to attend school, on the grounds that it would turn her into a non-indigenous "ladino" who would forget her Mayan roots, but in reality, Catholic nuns supported her in a succession of private boarding schools until she reached the 8th grade.

Stoll claims that Menchú's account of watching her younger brother Nicolas die of malnutrition was false, as Stoll located a living brother of hers named Nicolas. Menchú has responded that she was referring to another brother also named Nicolas (giving several children the same name is a common practice among rural Mayans in Guatemala). When interviewed by Rohter, the surviving Nicolas affirmed that two brothers had died of malnutrition but remembered the name of only one of them, Felipe.[7]

In one episode in her 1982 story, Menchú claimed that her younger brother Petrocinio had been burned alive by Guatemala's military while she and her family were forced to watch in a town plaza. After interviewing local townspeople and reviewing contemporary human rights reports, Stoll concluded that Petrocinio was shot and killed by Army-supported paramilitary groups, rather than burned to death, and his body dumped in a mass grave, and that Menchú and her family had not witnessed his death. In follow-up interviews with the New York Times, Menchú conceded that she had not personally witnessed the murder of her brother as it was related to her by her mother.

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No one should take the phony Peace Prize seriously--

Mendela, Arafat, Obama, Carter, Menchu--what a motley crew!!!


Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 10:43 pm
@MASSAGAT,
You left out Rabin. He planted a bomb that killed three tourists by his own admission.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2009 11:11 pm
Sorry- I would be worried about putting him in the picture with Arafat. They never got along, you know!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 06:49 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

I liked your sarcasm Finny.


Thank you Ionee

Obviously it struck a nerve with three of our fellow posters.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 07:11 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

So Finn, if Obama had a do-over, do you think he would have invaded Iraq?


An interesting question.

In answering it, I will assume that when the decision came to him that he hadn't already gone on the public record that he opposed war in Iraq.

I would like to believe that he would, but I'm not sure.

Given his current group of advisors, I doubt he would have gotten the same advice Bush got, and so to order an invasion he probably would have to had not only go against his own grain, but the counsel of his inner circle.

I doubt very much his eyes would have seen past all the intelligence that convinced most of the world's heads of state and just about all of our legislators (Dem and Repub) alike, that Saddam had WMDs.

Never-the-less, that was never really the primary reason for invading Iraq. It was the reason Bush & Co felt the American people would find vicerally satisfying.

The primary reason was to establish a democratic beach head in the Middle East. Our own version of the Saudi trick of spreading wahabisim around the world.

The goal was a whole lot tougher than Bush & Co expected it to be, but such is usually the case no matter who is leading the country and setting the goals.

I've said before, Obama is not soft, and he certainly is smart, and so I believe he is not only capable of having appreciated the Bush goal, but establishing it himself.

I suspect that a lot of firm opinions get shaken up in the minds of presidents, once they become Commander-in-Chief and are responsible for the security of a nation of 300 million...especially when foreign terrorists take down iconic buildings in the greatest of their cities and kill thousands of Americans.

I think we can see this effect at work in terms of Obama's decision on Afghanistan and his speech in Oslo.

I take Obama at his word, that he believes there is Evil in the world. Once you accept such a concept you either have to accept the fact that you will almost assuredly be forced to battle that Evil, or you make peace with the idea that you will allow it to conquer you rather than resorting to violence.

No, I don't think he would have ordered the invasion of Iraq, but I think it's possible that I am wrong.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 07:22 pm

I doubt Obama would not have gone into Iraq because Obama hasn't the balls needed to enforce UN sanctions.

Also, it is likely Obama & Co would have waited for a second terrorists attack on US soil before opening up talks and negotiations.
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