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Would you tell on your kid's friends

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 11:31 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

How childish.

You are either appallingly ignorant, appallingly arrogant, appallingly naive, or some combination of the three.

You have apparently never heard a story of big brother finding dad's porn,
then trying out some of what he saw on baby sister.

I have. And variations on that theme.

Now please shut your little mouth and let the adults talk.
That is very rude; it does not reflect at all well on
your own upbringing, pretending that u have the right to order him around. Shame on u.

If u believe in the truth of what u are saying,
then set it forth (as u began to do by alleging that porn produces rape),
but don 't pretend thay u have the right to censor anyone because he does not share your point of vu. Some nerve!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 11:39 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

I don't think we're talking that level of thing here, either.

But ebrown seemingly wants to dismiss altogether the very idea that there are negative effects.

I find that incredibly offensive and invalidating considering my wife's experience, and what I suspect of your experience.
What he has done is request proof; that is the logical thing to do as part of the decision making process.

U begrudge that, demanding instead to rely upon raw emotion.
If u desire to show that porn causes rape, then do so.

I saw porn during my childhood. It certainly never occurred to me to rape.

As a general rule, porn does not show rape.
It shows either willing partners or simple nuditiy.

(Of course, there are many separate, weird fetishes also.)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 11:53 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

Quote:
Mo's friends did indeed apologize to me today.

It was the strangest thing to watch --

Mo approached them after school. I was standing across the way. Mo was so emphatic! He gestured and fumed. They looked mortified. Finally, staring at their shoes, they shambled over and told me they were sorry.

I gave them a little talking to. I think they'll think twice before doing such a thing at my house ever again. (Hopefully, they won't do this at any other house ever again.) The next time they're here I'll be talking to them a bit more about our house rules.
I can only speak for myself,
but if I felt unwelcome, or in fear of the hostess,
then I 'd be too embarassed to go back to that house.
I imagine that as guests, to save face, thay 'd stay away in the future.

What u are describing is punitive (AFTER the mortified apology).
Is it good hospitality, in your opinion,
for the hostess to be punitive toward her guests ?
What does Emily Post say about that?






Quote:
I probably will tell the parents when I think it can flow naturally from circumstance. Maybe I'll tell their dad.
The decision is in your hands,
but informing on them and not having the results of that
(whipping or beating)
on your head are inconsistent with each other
because if it happens, u will have caused it to happen.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 12:59 am
@DrewDad,
Yeah.

I don't let ebrown get me down though, or feel a need to convince him, though I understand your frustration....especially when the experience is so personal.

Boomer knows what I do, and can evaluate for herself how much weight she gives what I say.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 01:19 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

How do you get from discussing the effects of pornography on children to homosexuality and interracial marriage?

One is child abuse, and the others are sexual behaviors and political rights of adults.

Do you even think before you spout your ignorance?

Nevermind. I suppose the question answers itself.


Erm...to be fair, he's not getting from one to the other...he's suggesting that, without evidence, the argument that porn can harm kids is the same as the argument used by those who say homosexuality is just bad.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 01:56 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

How do you get from discussing the effects of pornography on children to homosexuality and interracial marriage?

One is child abuse, and the others are sexual behaviors and political rights of adults.

Lemme get this straight, DrewDad.
Are u saying that children have no right to be homosexuals ?
Are u claiming that if children are homosexuals,
that thay are violating someone 's rights, by being homosexuals,
whereas it is different with adults?

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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:40 am
@boomerang,
Glad they apologized! Good for Mo for handling that part so well.

And I totally get feeling drained. I was wiped by the drama surrounding the sozlet + friends situation I referred to. It's hard being a parent sometimes (and not always in the obvious ways).
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 07:54 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
This is about prudishness-- how disapproval of something has turned into fear-mongering out of all proportion-- where you are bringing up the scariest scenarios (however unlikely) to scare people into agreeing with you and disparage people who don't.

It's not about prudishness. Once again you leap into strawman arguments.

I've never said people shouldn't be allowed to view porn. I could give a damn if people view porn.

It's about acknowledging that kids can be damaged by seeing porn too soon. Just as they can be damaged by power tools if they use them without supervision, or can be damaged by having access to poisons they don't understand.

You have the testimony of a professional that seeing porn can hurt kids.

It's as much a failure to turn a blind eye to the truth when it is presented, as it is to be too credulous.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 08:01 am
@DrewDad,
Meep
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 08:07 am
@ebrown p,
Yes, your argument really does come down to "meep".

Good work, Okie.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:04 am

I am aware of a (so-called) whistle-blower, who reported misconduct to authorities.
Subsequently, the person against whom he reported came into possession of information
of imperfections in the behavior of the whistle-blower.

He is considering his options.
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