JP DENIES INTERACIAL COUPLE MARRAIGE LISCENSE

@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

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I think this is the biggest difference between him and the boy who wouldn't say the pledge. JP is an employee of the people and should be treating them all the same the way the law says he should. The boy is not yet that I know of employed by the government.

My point exactly... employees have rights-- including the right to reasonable accommodations of religious or cultural practices. Having another Justice of the Peace available fulfills everyone's rights-- the couple gets married and this man doesn't have to be a part of it.

The State does not have a duty to accommodate an employee's or an official's racial bigotry. The law does not allow something to be done indirectly that which cannot be done directly. The SUPREME law of the land prohibits the State from discriminating against individuals on the basis of race. The State may not evade that constitutional prohibition indirectly by employing racial bigots and allowing those racial bigots to discriminate against individuals under the guise of "reasonably" accommodating an employee's racial bigotry. There is nothing reasonable about state discrimination by and through state employees or officials on the basis of race. Thus, your "reasonable accommodations" argument is wholly unreasonable.

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@KiwiChic,

I did.

You used a specific example to refute hawkeyes point.

I said that he was speaking in generalities, and of course there will be examples where blacks are highly educated. But in general, as a race, they receive less higher education than whites. The fact that the Obamas are black does not refute that point.

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@ebrown p,

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. . . you need to weigh the needs of society against the right of the employee.

SOCIETY has already weighed the question and determined that racial discrimination by a state actor will not be tolerated. Thus, the Constitution was amended to prohibit the State (by and through its employees and officials) to discriminate against individuals on the basis of race. A state employee or official has no right at all to discriminate against those seeking state services on the basis of race.

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The fact that black person A has or has not harmed another person has absolutely no bearing on whether black person B can have a marriage license.

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@Merry Andrew,

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Y'know, Hawk, I used to think that you're just a vague annoyance and sometime pain-in-the-ass. But with this racist screed you've finally convinced me that you're a total, irredeemable asshole.

if you were a better person you would be more interested in truth than you are your emotional response to the process of the pursuit of understanding of the truth....

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

YOu are arguing I assume that the justice system is racist. We can negate that by looking at the homicide rate among blacks, which is much higher than for whites.

The justice system has nothing to do with the rate of murders. If you want to see if the justice system is racist, compare the sentences of people who commit comparable crimes by race.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I wonder how many white homicide victims are killed by a white perpertrator?

85%, which given that the white population is much much bigger than the black population shows that black on black is much worse than white on white homicide

No, it just shows that the two communities are segregated, so the crimes tend to be black on black and white on white.

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@engineer,

Sounds fair.

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@engineer,

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No, it just shows that the two communities are segregated, so the crimes tend to be black on black and white on white.

you could make a stab at that argument if the homicide rate was roughly equal between the races, but since the black rate is several multiples of the white rate your argument will go no where. Blacks are several times more likely to be killed or to be a killer than whites are.

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@engineer,

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The justice system has nothing to do with the rate of murders. If you want to see if the justice system is racist, compare the sentences of people who commit comparable crimes by race.

that is my point, you can't blame the system of racism to explain away all of the blacks sucking up collective resources through the justice system....they are more criminal, they are more of a drag on the collective than other races. The black death rate from homicide proves it.

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@hawkeye10,

So what's your point?

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@Sglass,

that blacks have a tendency to suck from rather than contribute to the collective effort, so maybe they should stop whining and start producing. I am in no mood to stand for yet more claims of black victim hood. The time for yakking and blaming other races for their sub cultures failure to produce are long gone.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye have you ever worked with black people? And I am somewhat curious as to where you were raised? Oh and what is this collective effort you speak of?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

that is my point, you can't blame the system of racism to explain away all of the blacks sucking up collective resources through the justice system....they are more criminal, they are more of a drag on the collective than other races. The black death rate from homicide proves it.

The black death rate from homicide doesn't prove anything at all about racism or the use of resources by race. All it shows is that blacks are murdered more often than other races. That particular statistic is not related to what I think you are trying to prove.

Is the justice system racist? Yes, several studies have shown that black and white felons who committed similar crimes received significantly different sentences. The difference in sentences for possession of the exact same weight of crack cocaine vs power cocaine is an oft sited example where the sentencing structure itself is often tilted so that white and wealthy crimes receive a lesser penalty than black and poor crimes.

Is there racism in hiring? Certainly there were blatant examples at one time and I don't doubt that you could find examples today without much effort. You are trying to use a statistical underperformance of the black race in general to dismiss the legitimate claim of hard working, achieving black people who have seen themselves repeatedly passed over based on race. If you want black people who work hard and advance their knowledge and expertise to succeed in the US, you should support any effort to help those who work hard to have the same opportunities as those of different races who work hard.

The reality in the US is that very successful black communities have been utterly destroyed by violent white mobs in the past. While these events are in our distant or not too distant past, there are places and people today who would hang nooses in treesthat black students would dare sit under.

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Did anyone else notice that this shitheel was using stats from a David Duke website?

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@snood,

as I recall it was CDC data....unless you want to quibble about the voracity of the CDC you have no point. It came from duke's site only because it was top of the que on google. We are interested in the truth here, not on the personalities of those who speak the truth, nor upon our assumptions of the motives of those who are speaking the truth.

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@snood,

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Did anyone else notice that this shitheel was using stats from a David Duke website?

Hadn't noticed but that's really not surprising is, is it? He's a piece of ****.

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@engineer,

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The black death rate from homicide doesn't prove anything at all about racism or the use of resources by race. All it shows is that blacks are murdered more often than other races. That particular statistic is not related to what I think you are trying to prove.

only if you want to make the claim that those who are killed did not participate in the conflict that got them killed. Is that where you want to go, cause I am all ready to talk about gang deaths, drug business deaths, and intimate relationship deaths.....all tending to be caused with the participation of the one who was killed. Blacks lead a more agressive lifestyle, and thus tend to meet their end by agessive acts against their health. This is not the fault of anyone else but blacks. They choose this way to live.

I don't think that you will get far claiming that blacks get killed for no reason, or simply cause they are black.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

They choose this way to live.

You've demonstrated nothing unique in the way a black person lives. Every example you've offered is of things that plenty of white people choose to do. The fact that the majority of black people choose NOT to live as you've declared they live is for whatever irrelevant to you.

You've failed your burden of proof still.

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@hawkeye10,

you are actually racist aren't you the way you are blabbing on and on about the uneducated blacks and collectives and bla bla bla.....but where are your statistics in regard to whites and white collar crimes who on a daily basis fiddle millions of dollars....and these are the supposed educated ones??

So much for the title of this thread, way off topic!

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