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the Obama effect

 
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 08:49 pm
NEW ORLEANS " Bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and still can't keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.

Shooting ranges, gun dealers and bullet manufacturers say they have never seen such shortages. Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up on ammo, in part because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation " even though nothing specific has been proposed and the president last month signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks.

Gun sales spiked when it became clear Obama would be elected a year ago and purchases continued to rise in his first few months of office. The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System reported that 6.1 million background checks for gun sales were issued from January to May, an increase of 25.6 percent from the same period the year before.

"That is going to cause an upswing in ammunition sales," said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association representing about 5,000 members. "Without bullets a gun is just a paper weight."

The shortage for sportsmen is different than the scarcity of ammo for some police forces earlier this year, a dearth fueled by an increase in ammo use by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We are working overtime and still can't keep up with the demand," said Al Russo, spokesman for North Carolina-based Remington Arms Company, which makes bullets for rifles, handguns and shotguns. "We've had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7. It's a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business."

Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak.

Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have at least 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons.

"I call it the Obama effect," said Gregory, 37, of Terrytown, La. "It always happens when the Democrats get in office. It happened with Clinton and Obama is even stronger for gun control. Ammunition will be the first step, so I'm stocking up while I can."

So far, the new administration nor Congress has not been markedly antigun. Obama has said he respects Second Amendment rights, but favors "common sense" on gun laws. Still, worries about what could happen persist.

Demand has been so heavy at some Walmarts, a limit was imposed on the amount of ammo customers can buy. The cutoff varies according to caliber and store location, but sometimes as little as one box " or 50 bullets " is allowed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_re_us/us_ammo_shortage
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:10 pm
@dyslexia,
Just a bit of clarification before the discussion starts, if that's OK:

Quote:
Demand has been so heavy at some Walmarts, a limit was imposed on the amount of ammo customers can buy. The cutoff varies according to caliber and store location, but sometimes as little as one box " or 50 bullets " is allowed


Walmarts are department stores, is that right? (Like Kmart, etc.)

So you can buy ammunition at department stores in the US?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:12 pm
@dyslexia,
I am a bit curious... was there a similar Carter effect? It seems that President Carter took more of an anti-gun stance than Obama in his rhetoric and his actions.

Richard Nixon stated publicly that guns are "an abomination" and said on the record that he would like to ban handguns and license hunting rifles if there wasn't such a high electoral cost.

So was there a Nixon effect?

It is strange that Obama should provoke such a drastic response when he is far more moderate on gun issues than many presidents who came before him?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:15 pm
@msolga,
of course:
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&search_query=ammunition
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
of course:


Of course?

As if this makes perfect sense.

I don't wish to divert the discussion any further, hawkeye, but that's pretty amazing. Thanks for answering my question.

OK, carry on with the topic discussion now, folks ....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:20 pm
@ebrown p,
obama gets blamed, but much of the cause is that Americans are afraid of the future in general. A lot of folks are concerned about a possible break down in law and order as the economy gets worse, terrorists strike, the flu turns deadly and so on. Buying ammo is the back up plan to protect what one has.

We ain't into sharing.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:23 pm
@msolga,
msolga, in the US you can buy guns and ammo in any store which has a sporting goods department. All this depends on the laws of each state, of course, but as a general rule, shotguns are displayed on racks alongside fly rods and fishing gear. Everything for the great outdoors, as the slogans say.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:27 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Thanks, Andrew. I could ask many, many more questions about this, but I really don't want to create a digression from the the thread topic. Just let me say that I think that's an extraordinary state of affairs!
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:53 pm
@msolga,
Me too. I was stunned to find a gun dept. in my first (and only) time in Walmart. That's why I shop at Target.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 11:19 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Thanks, Andrew. I could ask many, many more questions about this,
but I really don't want to create a digression from the the thread topic.
Just let me say that I think that's an extraordinary state of affairs!
Its unwholesome and undignified for anyone to be unarmed.





David
roger
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 11:59 pm
@eoe,
Our Walmart dropped their handgun line about 15 years ago. That's why I shop at Target.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 07:10 am
@roger,
There is something ironic about that.... I am not quite sure what it is.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 07:14 am
@msolga,
I don't doubt that Walmart carries guns, I don't shop there either. As eoe indicates, Target (where I'm more likely to shop for the sorts of everyday items associated with those two stores) doesn't carry guns. I've only ever seen guns for sale when I went to a general store in a tiny town in Colorado.

Just offering a bit of balance, as the responses you'd received lend an impression that guns are available absolutely everywhere one goes in America. They're very easy to get, that's true, but I never see 'em.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 08:09 am
@sozobe,
Walmart got its start in rural areas, so you can expect them to carry hunting rifles, but Sears, Kmart, etc also carry hunting scopes, cases, etc even though they don't carry the firearms themselves anymore.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 08:15 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Walmart got its start in rural areas,
so you can expect them to carry hunting rifles, but Sears,
Kmart, etc also carry hunting scopes, cases, etc even though
they don't carry the firearms themselves anymore.
I remember a Sears Catalog
wherein Thompson Submachineguns were offered for sale for $25.



I like to support local, neighborhood gunstores





David
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 08:44 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Quote:
of course:


Of course?

As if this makes perfect sense.

I don't wish to divert the discussion any further, hawkeye, but that's pretty amazing. Thanks for answering my question.

OK, carry on with the topic discussion now, folks ....


This is America. Bullets come with kids' meals at fast food restaurants. You can find them at the bottom of cereal boxes. If you loose a tooth and place it beneath your pillow before you go to bed, you'll find a bullet there when you wake up.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 08:48 am
@Gargamel,
We have health class where schools make knowledge and even condoms available for kids to keep them safe.

Why don't we pass out guns and ammunition to kids in school as a public health program?
Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 08:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

msolga wrote:

Thanks, Andrew. I could ask many, many more questions about this,
but I really don't want to create a digression from the the thread topic.
Just let me say that I think that's an extraordinary state of affairs!
Its unwholesome and undignified for anyone to be unarmed.





David


Because "wholesome" and "dignified" perfectly describe gunowners. Yes, for those selfsame gunowners eat three square meals, in which all four food groups are represented, per day. And they never use their salad fork to eat their pork chops. They get at least 30 minutes of vigorous exercise each week. They read Dickens. They enjoy the smokey bouquet of a fine Shiraz.

You'll never, ever, catch them smacking their hyperactive kids in the Outback Steakhouse parking lot. Nor will you see tons of ratty stuffed animals pressed up against the back windshield of their beat up Camaros. They most certainly do not wear their swim trunks to the grocery store.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 03:14 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Quote:
We have health class where schools make knowledge
and even condoms available for kids to keep them safe.
Yes, as well as mandatory swimming lessons to avoid accidental drowning.




Quote:
Why don't we pass out guns and ammunition
to kids in school as a public health program?

Well, obviously, the purpose of skill with guns
is the preservation of your HEALTH, as well as of your property.

However, the same as in drivers' training, thay don 't let u keep the cars,
I doubt that we shoud give away free guns, but the students shoud
just use their own guns, and pay for the ammunition consumed, like u do for the rifle team.

That 's fair and reasonable.
There shoud also be tactical training, for good defensive moves, under stress.

U have some fine ideas, Mr. Brown.
If u run for office in NY, u will have my vote.



David
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 03:22 pm
How could this be? In the movie "Bowling for Columbine", wasn't there a scene where Michael Moore and two kids who had been injured by guns go in there and bother the corporate a-holes enough that they decided to stop selling guns in K-Mart?

Does anyone else remember this?
 

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