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The only year where/when

 
 
Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 07:32 am
The only year where/when sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.

Which one is correct: where or when?

Thank you.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 07:44 am
@jinmin1988,
jinmin1988 wrote:

The only year where/when sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.

Which one is correct: where or when?

Thank you.

That's a tough one. I bet even life-long English speaking people would interchange those words without ever noticing.

I'm not sure if there is an absolute correct answer.

However, I would probably say it this way: The only year in which sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 07:55 am
@rosborne979,


The only year in which sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.

or

The only year when sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.


"Where" is a mistake.
A year is not a place.
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 12:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
"Where" is a mistake.
A year is not a place.


I agree, but I expect JTT will be along in a minute to put you right on that, David.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 04:31 pm
@jinmin1988,
The only year where/when sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013.

Quote:
"Where" is a mistake.
A year is not a place.


I'm kinda wondering how this affects the sentence in question?
jinmin1988
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 04:49 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
I'm kinda wondering how this affects the sentence in question?
The orginial sentence is "The only year where sales are forecast to exceed the 500,000 mark is 2013."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 05:41 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

Quote:
"Where" is a mistake.
A year is not a place.


I agree, but I expect JTT will be along in a minute to put you right on that, David.

My Ignore button is still functioning properly.
I can tell because he does not show up any more on my computer.





David
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Joeblow
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 05:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Doesn't "where" in this example refer to the place in time?

jinmin1988
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 06:11 pm
@Joeblow,
It's on a bar chart.
Joeblow
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 06:38 pm
@jinmin1988,
Thank-you jinmin Very Happy

I'll try not to complicate matters:

I was trying to understand why there would be objections to your use of "where" in the example you provided. When I posted to David, I was hoping for clarification, because I wasn't confident in my view.

At this point, I happen to agree with ros…that is, I too would bet that even life-long English speakers would interchange those words without even noticing.

If it helps, were it me, I'd use either "where," or "when" without compunction.


JTT
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 09:42 pm
@Joeblow,
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When I posted to David, I was hoping for clarification,


Good luck with that, Joe.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 09:46 pm
@Joeblow,
Joeblow wrote:

Doesn't "where" in this example refer to the place in time?


With all respect,
I have no way of knowing what is in the minds
of those who opt to express themselves thusly.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 08:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I have no way of knowing what is in the minds
of those who opt to express themselves thusly.


Knowing the context is exactly what one has to know before they can make a reasoned decision. Reason and thought are not needed for making prescriptions.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 01:17 pm
@Joeblow,
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When I posted to David, I was hoping for clarification, because I wasn't confident in my view.

At this point, I happen to agree with ros…that is, I too would bet that even life-long English speakers would interchange those words without even noticing.

If it helps, were it me, I'd use either "where," or "when" without compunction.


It helps immensely, Joe.

Believe it or not you have the ability to figure out any of these language issues if you are willing to expend the effort.

How could this be, you say, when you've not had any formal training?

Formal training isn't what is needed, especially the formal training in English that has been given over the last few centuries.

You have the ability because you know every rule that exists in the English language. If you didn't, you wouldn't be able to function in everyday life.

The expended effort comes from having to think about it and that definitely does take some effort.

Unlike you and Ros, David and Contrex rattled off some inane idea without thinking it through, an idea that stopped their thinking processes cold.
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