Why Fox News' new found interest in Manson?

Many false things are "commonly known" yet erroneously perpetuated.

The Beatles album nicknamed "The White Album" was a way the fans could distinguish it from other albums because if people just called it The Beatles Album it may have been confused with one of the fifteen other Beatles albums.

I am sure radio DJ's coined the phrase and it stuck. If DJ's just called it "The Beatles" album then fans may have not known which album who had not purchased it yet. That does not mean the Beatles intended the album to be called that. For God sake how could they have ever known?

And to go from a title "A doll's house" to "The White Album" is quite a stretch too when it is clearly marked "The Beatles". And where is the racist overtones and innuendo in the title, "A Doll's House"?

As for the cover being white it was probably because they were angry because their title was taken at the last minute then the decided to just make a bland cover to get the records released before there were more tensions in the group and the album might have been scrapped altogether.

Consider the artwork that went into the Sargent Peppers album cover and compare it with "The Beatles" album cover and you may sense the tension that pervaded the pre-release of the so called "white album"...

It was white because the band probably was so unstable that no one would have been able to agree on what should appear on the cover, err not because the were prophesying a racist war...

sorry to go back on my word, i'm very passionate about things music related



from wiki

"The album's sleeve was designed by Richard Hamilton, a notable pop artist who had organised a Marcel Duchamp retrospective at the Tate Gallery the previous year. Hamilton's design was in stark contrast to Peter Blake's vivid cover art for Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and consisted of a plain white sleeve. The band's name was discreetly embossed slightly below the middle of the album's right side, and the cover also featured a unique stamped serial number, "to create," in Hamilton's words, "the ironic situation of a numbered edition of something like five million copies."[citation needed] Indeed, the artist intended the cover to resemble the "look" of conceptual art, an emerging movement in contemporary art at the time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_%28album%29

as for the name, i don't think they cared that somebody used something similar

"Originally entitled A Doll's House, the title was changed when the British progressive band Family released the similarly titled Music in a Doll's House earlier that year.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_%28album%29

they'd already borrowed the title from somebody else

"The White Album's original working title was A Doll's House, which is the name of Henrik Ibsen's masterpiece play written in the 19th century."
http://www.beatlesagain.com/btwhite.html

interestingly, the artists themselves didn't have any trouble with it being called the white album

the album was released in November of 1968, less than a year and a half later in April 1970, George Harrison is referring to it as the White Album in an interview

Q: "I didn't know you were that prolific as a writer because there's so few of your songs on Beatles albums."

GEORGE: "Yeah, well, I wrote some songs-- in fact some songs which I feel are quite nice which I'll use on this album-- I wrote about four years ago. But, uhh, it was more difficult for me then to, you know, get in there to do it. It was the way the Beatles took off with Paul and John's songs, and it made it very difficult for me get in. And also, I suppose at that time I didn't have as much confidence when it came down to pushing my own material as I have now. So it took a while. You know, I think the first... I did write one song on about the second album, and I left it and didn't write any more. That was just an exercise to see if I could write. About two years later I recorded a couple more songs-- I think 'Rubber Soul.' And then I've had one or two songs on each album. Well, there are four songs of mine on the double White Album. But now, uhh, the output of songs is too much to be able to just sit around, you know, waiting to put two songs on an album. I've got to get 'em out, you know."
http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1970.04gh.beatles.html

Harrison again in 1977

"'Savoy Truffle' on The White Album was written for Eric. He's got this real sweet tooth and he'd just had his mouth worked on. His dentist said he was through with candy. So as a tribute I wrote, 'You'll have to have them all pulled out after the Savoy Truffle.' The truffle was some kind of sweet, just like all the rest-- cream tangerine, ginger sling-- just candy, to tease Eric."
http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1977.0200.beatles.html

Ringo Starr couldn't say it enough in a 1976 interview

"And the White Album is important to me for different reasons. One-- I had left the band on the White Album. We're doing this album, and I'm getting weird-- saying to me-self, 'I've gotta leave this band. It's not working,' you know. So I just said, 'Okay, I'm going on holiday,' and I went away for two weeks. (laughs) And, uhh, that's when I left the band. And then I got a telegram from John saying, 'Great drums' on the tracks we'd done. And I came back and it was great, 'cuz George had set up all these flowers all over the studio saying welcome home. So then we got it together again. I always felt it was better on the White one for me. We were more like a band, you know."

"See, I never really liked Sgt Pepper. I mean, I think it's a fine album. All the work we do is fine. But I think I felt like a session man on it. We put so much on it-- strings and brass-- and you'd sit 'round the studio for days, you know, while they're overdubbing other things. It is a fine album, but just for me emotionally I prefer Abbey Road and alot of the White Album. And the early albums for different reasons."
http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1976.00rs.beatles.html

let's let Sir Paul have the last word



"I think it's a fine album, you know, I'm not a great one for that, you know, maybe it's too many (unintelligible), it was great, it sold, it's the bloody Beatles White Album, shut up"
http://www.beatlesagain.com/btwhite.html

Actually it would more properly be called "the white double album", err, there are two lp's in the set. Everyone knows that. To have titled it the white album from its inception would have been grammatically incorrect. Or which album is the white one? Grammar means everything to those English blokes.

OK, put up or shut up...
Show all of us exactly where Fox news drew "racist conclusions".
Not your opinion about it, but the exact conclusion and wording Fox used.
Show all of us where they said it was racist in any way, if you can.

The whole article is about race... Did they forget that Manson was notorious for being a murderer not a racist? But the slant of the article fits subconsciously into Fox News' faithful clan's psyche and their anti-Obama rhetoric nicely. Is this a trend? Of course not. (cynical) Who would ever think that?

The whole article's centerpiece is about Manson's "failed music" which is then tied into the Beatles erroneously nicknamed "white album" rather than his murderous rampage of rich white people. Did they kill white people because they hated black people? Is that the reason for making 90% of the article about racist fears of the past? Is it supposed to be a trigger for supremacists to act up again? You seem to forget the nutcases with guns that watch Fox News...

The article for some reason tries to convince people that Manson's music was "charismatic"... Manson's song "Sick Sick Sick City" flew over the record producers heads like a lead balloon. I am, sure people just sat enamored and tapping their feet to Charlie's songs when he would play that one for them... Up up and away! Are you saying this article promotes racial harmony? We report, you decide...

In your opinion.



I dont see any of that in the article.



So are you saying that EVERYONE that watches Fox news fits that description, or are you just projecting your own paranoia onto others?

Are you a republican?

Liberalism has collectivist authoritarianism as a foundational pillar.





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Dys, I must say that what u said in your last post is true.
U r improving with older age, becoming more lucid and articulate!





David

Nope, never have been.

Are you an idiot or are you a liberal?
But then, I repeat myself.

My next question is do you watch Fox News on regular basis?

No more then I watch CNN, the BBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and other news sources.

Why are you avoiding the question...Show us all EXACTLY what part of the original article is racist.

rex, read my lips and then go to bed.
It's always been 'The White Album", and will be...forevermore.

I know that is its nickname but the album does not say that... I have myself have erroneously referred to it as the white album also but according to Wikipedia it is The Beatles album so go argue with Wikipedia ok? I will myself from now on will refer to it as "The Beatles" double album. So when aliens dig it out of a pile of rubble 10o years from now will they know that is was called the white album? Not unless you and Fox News are there to inform them of that vital tidbit...

I am not going to go into figures of speech and how the are used to emphasize by omission. I am sure you are not on the mailing lists of all of Fox news sponsors where nearly on a daily basis i get emails saying in big bold letters "STOP OBAMA". But oh yea you were not a republican EITHER like I was.. Their third party sponsors have gotten so vicious and bold that I have had to stop them from soliciting me in my email... I can't even stomach News Max anymore...You don't get emails on a daily basis screaming about lost gun rights, Obama communism and a welfare state...You have not for the last 8 years watched Fox News exclusively. You have not been a viewer of a news media whose viewers in mass (by the millions) voted against our current black president... Since your head has been in the sand I don't expect you to understand the subtle meaning behind the article. So believe what you may I have said my peace.

So you put socialism on the same plane as racism?

As we used to say when I was a kid: "I'm doubten it"

OMG - You're loopier than I thought.

EVERYONE calls it THE WHITE ALBUM.

I see NO PROBLEM with either the white race or the black race
giving offense, intentionally or not, to any other race.

That is within freedom of speech.


Freedom of speech shoud be CONFIDENT and ROBUST
and let anyone take offense who chooses to do so; so what ???

Its perfectly OK to reject political correctism.





David

i'm going to start calling the caucasian album