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Why Fox News' new found interest in Manson?

 
 
RexRed
 
Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 11:55 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537723,00.html

Perhaps they at Fox News see this article and this special coming up on Manson as a catalyst to stir up old racial hatreds... Politics as usual at Fox News... I wish people would just love each other and forget about lowlifes like Manson. But no, we have Fox News to remind us of a time in America when racial hatreds were sadly out of control. It just makes Obama's job more challenging and incites white and black racists to continue with their ill conceived antics. Why now is my question? Scratch the surface and there is a not so honorable motive behind this article. If there were no racists left in America there would be no real need for a discussion about it. Enough already...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 11:59 am
@RexRed,
probably just me but I'm wondering what the racial hatreds context is?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 12:00 pm
@RexRed,
Or maybe since one of his followers is up for parole?
And since many if not most people in the US arent old enough to remember the Tate-Labianca murders and dont know who Charles Manson is.

But how was the article racist in any way?
It told the facts, gave a few quotes from Manson, and left it at that.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 12:09 pm
@mysteryman,
It is just the way it hit me. To me the article incites racial tension rather than promotes unity, and exactly, why now?
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 02:26 pm
I just saw a small article about "Squeaky" Fromm, a Manson follower who is about to be released because her sentance has been served. As far as "racial" implications, I only remember that Manson was predicting a "race war" to his followers, along with other drug fueled ideas. If you can find an old copy of Helter Skelter I think it clears up (as if it can be) the ideas and aspirations of the Manson group.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 03:06 pm
@glitterbag,
Agreeing with glitterbag.

The Manson Family murders of five (white) totally overshadowed whatever talk of race wars that went on in his band of scum.

Any current interest in Manson is a direct result of the fact Squeaky Fromme is supposed to be released from prision shortly.

Her part in the Sharon Tate murders, and the fact she tried to assassinate Gerald Ford is more of focal point.

In addition, Susan Atkins, who is near death is asking to be released early so she can spend her last days with her family.

Her victims should have been allowed to live all their days with their families, but these two evil people made sure that wouldn't happen.

Manson will never be released.

Today I heard the argument Atkins is costing the governement too much money with her health needs.

Don't worry, it won't be much longer until she's dead.

Walk up to anyone and ask them what the first thing they think of when they here the name Charles Manson. I'm betting it won't have anything to do with racism.


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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 03:24 pm
Why pick on Fox News? I hate the site, but the Manson story has been on CNN and other news outlets as well. It's all in connection with the upcoming parole hearings. And being as how Manson himself and most of his followers were white, as were all of the victims, what's race got to do with it?
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 04:29 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

Why pick on Fox News? I hate the site, but the Manson story has been on CNN and other news outlets as well. It's all in connection with the upcoming parole hearings. And being as how Manson himself and most of his followers were white, as were all of the victims, what's race got to do with it?


because, within the group, he preached to them that things coming to a race war.
that's why he moved them all up into the hills, into some deserted town.

I mean, on top of everything else, the drugs, sex weirdness (all the women were to be available to him), rantings of a madman, what's a little racism?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 05:16 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

probably just me but I'm wondering what the racial hatreds context is?


Nope, not just you.

This seems to be the logic behind RexRed's "over the top" argument:

Fox News has a conservative bias

Conservatism has racism as a foundational pillar.

The insane Manson believed a race war would advance his insane goals. The insane but also pathetic Manson thought that slaughtering a group of affluent white people would start a race war.

Fox, like other news networks, reports on Manson's scheduled parole hearing.

Fox is doing so to stir up racial tension.

This is sequence of logic of which Charlie Manson would be proud.

Fox, and the other networks, may be guilty of sensationalism, but what else is new?



mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 05:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Conservatism has racism as a foundational pillar.


That single line negates all the "logic" in rexred's thought process.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 05:24 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
Conservatism has racism as a foundational pillar.


That single line negates all the "logic" in rexred's thought process.
yeah pretty comparable to "Liberalism has socialism as a foundational pillar."
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 06:00 pm
@dyslexia,
I suppose I'm behind the curve here. I know conservatives that I don't consider racist, or that is not their foundational point of view, perhaps an offshoot or not. That all rests on definitions of conservatism, of course. I may consider their takes to have a racist effect (take that, you don't measure up, you haven't tried hard enough, lazy folk), but I'm more apt to think of those few conservatives as elitist or classist or some other damned 'ist'. Actually, I think of them as 'spoiled, whether or not they're brats '. They got ahead, you can too.

This tent includes libertarians and liberals I know as well.

I separate those people from the really racist core, on any sides of that word.
Some people tend to generalize. Some are filled with amazing hate. They're not always the same.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 06:11 pm
@ossobuco,
On Fox News and Manson, I've no idea about interest and maybe it has to do with amount of years past - except that they're letting Squeaky (is that it?) out now. I haven't followed the whys.. it might even be cost containment, a key issue in CA right now. I also have no idea if she was insane at the time of the offense, though I gather the court et al thought she was. All that was insane on the face of it to me.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 06:16 pm
@ossobuco,
Just reread - so, Manson had a race thing going on? I didn't know that. I was in LA at the time, and had a certain avoidance behavior re reading all about him.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 06:24 pm
@ossobuco,
Or maybe I did know and forgot that all these years. In any case, his racist takes are a surprise now.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 07:21 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I believe Manson was a communist wannabe and not a necessarily a racist. He went out to the desert to start his own commune not necessarily to escape a race war which turned into a failed big long extended acid trip nightmare. You will probably find Charles Manson owned several Jimi Hendrix' albums. He resented the rich and struck out at them. Though he may have voiced fears of a race war so did many Americans, blacks and whites alike at the time.

Though America was quite integrated with blacks and whites attending Woodstock peaceably together. There were many famous black artist like Diana Ross, Jimmy Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, Dion Warwick, Otis Redding and many others also topping the billboard charts along with the Beatles. Where only three of the Beatles songs from the "The Beatles" (nicknamed the White Album) album in 1968 hit the top 100 billboard charts. 01. Hey Jude, (religious overtones) 60. Lady Madonna (religious overtones) and 78. Revolution (anti war). The song revolution is mostly and seemingly about anti-communism not about a race war. Though John Lennon may have been sympathetic to the communist idea at times. Where the lyrics say people need to free their mind instead. (take more drugs)

"But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right"

This is an anti war song. Why Fox news is out on a limb in drawing racist inferences to the The Beatles Album leave much to be scrutinized... The Beatles Album is more commonly known as The White Album as it has no graphics or text other than the band's name. So they words White Album do not even appear anywhere on the album and never has on any release.

The album is called "The Beatles"... But calling it the White Album in the Fox News Article lends credence to the racial element. Actually blacks were highly admired by the Beatles as they were also admired by Elvis who tried to emulate many of their rhythms and style. Even John Lennon admired the "the black beat" where in a later album John stole a line from Chuck Berry in the song "Come Together" which was, "Here come ole flat top he come groovin' up slowly". He was later sued by Chuck Berry for using the line and the case was settled out of court.

As for the song "Blackbird", that was written by Paul McCartney who was notorious for writing love and religious songs and not political songs, where John Lennon was known for writing the political songs. It is also interesting to note that John Lennon's political song were usually about peace. Even the song "Revolution" is written in second person. So the songs is actually anti-revolution. "All We Need Is Love" folks. Smile
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 07:33 pm
@ossobuco,
Excuse me, I meant that I gather the court took her as sane.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 07:44 pm
Geeze, what's the big mystery? The Tate-LaBianca murders were committed 40 years ago this summer--which is why there is this alleged "new found interest in Manson."
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 08:05 pm
@Setanta,
I fear that what was going on in our lives - to most of us as an aside - is now part of the woof and warp, weft and web, what? weaving words for grinding into promo segments by people who were five at the time.

What will happen at 50?
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 08:13 pm
@Setanta,
Yes so why not focus on the murders and the actual crimes rather inflate out of proportion the racial element of the incident? And Set do you suggest we organize a parade to commemorate the event?
 

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