JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 11:52 pm
@Advocate,
When told we were being attacked, he continue reading a story about goats for 7.5 minutes but got seriously pissed off at not being able to get past page 2. Too many big words.

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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 01:06 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

Darn shame. The 5 mark piece was a good looking coin.


the two dollar silver certificate had a certain flair as well. and the 1885 silver dollar.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 02:49 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

I only know the answer is 42. I never remember what the question is. That said, even I know the Deutsche Mark is no good anymore. Even I am not stupid enough to accept such an ancient currency.


The question is "What is the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything?"


Dammit.....I forgot the Euro!

How humiliating.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 02:50 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

dlowan wrote:
If it's from Fark does this imply veracity or its opposite?

Fark is a news aggregator site where people post snarky introductions to the articles. MysteryMan stole the snarky intro verbatim. It has nothing to do with the veracity of the article; that depends on how much you trust Rasmussen polls.


Damn...now I have to go and look up Rasmussen Polls.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 03:28 am
Occasionally I read an article,blog essay, etc. whose author captures sentiments of mine better than I could have myself. This one by actor Steven Weber about the rabble-rousing "birthers", "tea-baggers", "Brooks Brothers Protestors" and"Swift-Boaters" of the right wing really says it...

Like IED's, a few live wires and some fuel can do a lot of damage.
A relatively small but virulent strain of extremism is making its presence felt by stoking the media's addiction to bleeding leads.

This hateful group of obstructionists, obfuscators and oddballs who think and act with strategic precision, from highjacking the malleable minds at the grassroots level to appealing to the strict constructionists in the Supreme Court, are slowly but surely dismantling any promise of progress.

Watching the low-level terrorism of defective Birthers is little different from gaping at the clueless Tea Baggers or recoiling from the Swift Boaters. They are all, simply put, human wreckage, the discarded flotsam just waiting to tangle itself up in the cogs of progress.

They themselves hate the system they say has failed them when, in a sad reality, they had actually failed their system.

Wait---maybe that's not fair. If the system hadn't been geared toward their own exploitation at the hands of their vaunted saviors Reagan and Bush (with a little help from some venal Dems), maybe they wouldn't be sacrificing common sense and their own security for the fleeting honor of playing at being patriotic. Maybe they would be able to spot the wolves in sheep's clothing, stopping the predators in their tracks using enlightenment, knowledge, humility and reason.

But alas they are throwbacks, confederate civil war re-enactors, only slightly updated versions of the same mentalities that took sides against the abolition of slavery, but who in today's terms speak of "illegals" and "others" and "socialism" and "birth certificates". They are in fact thinly veiled racists who twitch and tremble at night at the thought of a black man as their president, as their leader.

They channel their separatism through militant fealty to quaint notions of sepia-toned conservatism, desperately trying to get back to the America of their dreams rather than dwell in the America that is their reality.

Such beliefs only function in fringe fantasies beneath the mournful strains of "Dixie" (or some hastily composed hate anthem by Hank Williams, Jr.) and one cannot miss the lily white-skinned outrage of the brain-dead demonstrators organized by shrewd right wing facilitators. Their fear and confusion is so relentlessly spurred they will never---can never---be rehabilitated or repatriated. These are the few left in this economy who seemingly have jobs for life.

And they are as fanatical as it gets. It's almost as if the media, the corporate Golems who wreak havoc on the mushy minds and sodden wills of the overstuffed masses actually want this sort of thing so they can pump it back into the system, like a perpetual motion machine powered by bile.
And with a perpetual civil/class/race/ideology war, well, one could say being on the fringe does have its benefits.

- Steven Weber, Actor
Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 07:13 am
@snood,
Thanks, Snood, that was a well written piece you found. I agree with what the writer said. I have a childhood friend who I never realized was a racist until Obama ran for president. She is also a "birther". Yup, she doesn't think he should be our president because he is a black man. He doesn't deserve to be President of the US and therefore there must be something illegitimate about his having won the election. He can't have been born in the US!!! Yes! Let's jump on that!

For all you posters who don't think this is about race, you better think more about it.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 07:19 am
@Vietnamnurse,
I dunna know but I think this "birth" issue is totally a racial/political issue by those who detest the fact that america elected Obama.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 08:27 am
@Vietnamnurse,
Vietnamnurse wrote:

Thanks, Snood, that was a well written piece you found. I agree with what the writer said. I have a childhood friend who I never realized was a racist until Obama ran for president. She is also a "birther". Yup, she doesn't think he should be our president because he is a black man. He doesn't deserve to be President of the US and therefore there must be something illegitimate about his having won the election. He can't have been born in the US!!! Yes! Let's jump on that!

For all you posters who don't think this is about race, you better think more about it.


I think Obama should be President; I would just prefer him, in my opinion, to not be so involved with overhauling society and the economy. This country was built, not on white efforts, but efforts by all, and the U.S. has every right to maintain a position of dominance in a world that is ruled by tribalism, nationalism, religious hubris, and other assorted human frailties. He means well; I just think he is a product of some idealogues that are quite cerebral and ivory-towerish.

I think that those who may not like Obama as the President may also not be charmed by the charisma that others seem to see. It need not be a light switch of "racism"/"no racism." Must the charge of racism be attached to a white person if he/she does not have great admiration for a Black man?

I think the charge of racism is sometimes used as a red-herring for the reality of "class consciousness." And, since Blacks do still have a measurable under-class, there are people that will be alienated from those people of that class, meaning if Obama's programs assists this underclass, it is understandable why there are white people that consider the program against their own interests. That to me is the reality, aside from the waning racism that existed previously and still does exist, but not always the cause of not being enamored with a specific Black person.

I do not even believe there is a "truthful" definition of racism today, since "racism" is used to reflect the reality that some whites do not have a great desire to utilize financial resources for the betterment of those that they do not identify with. It is just a classic power struggle, whether it would be based on race, ethnicity, religion, or fans of a sports team. Not everyone has an altruistic bent. That is not racism. Racism was Jim Crow laws, and segregation. Racism is not having a different political agenda.

I believe Obama is being used by those that want his programs to come to fruition, since if a white liberal was now the President, no one could accuse any detractors with the epithet of racist. I do not believe Democrats called LBJ's detractors racists when he implemented the Great Society.
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 08:32 am
@snood,
Snood, you said it all, and extremely well. What more can I say?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 08:34 am
@Advocate,
I have never seen snoods birth certificate.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 09:31 am
@Foofie,
It's not that these people are Obama detractors, it's that they must hold on to a fundamental belief that the stated will of the American people must be invalid. I don't accuse Obama's detractors of racism. Those hanging on to this birther nonsense... that is another story. You have to have pretty strong motivation to completely delude yourself this way.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 09:39 am
I don't know. I have an aunt who is one of these "birthers," and she's not a racist. She's just a born-again Christian and a complete ******* idiot.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:32 pm
@snood,
that pretty much covers it. he did forget to mention that there's the distinct stench of karl rove's grubby little mitts all over this.

it's all the same kind of people doing all the same kind of ****. again..
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:36 pm
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:

I don't know. I have an aunt who is one of these "birthers," and she's not a racist. She's just a born-again Christian and a complete ******* idiot.


most of them are. or all 3.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:37 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I'm pretty much convinced Snood doesn't have an american B'Certificate, if he does why doesn't he show it here?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:42 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

I'm pretty much convinced Snood doesn't have an american B'Certificate, if he does why doesn't he show it here?


well, he does show one, make sure it's not one of those "Certificate of Live Birth" thingies from Walmart that Hussein fella keeps tryin' to pass off as a Birth Certificate...

how dumb does he think we are, anywho??
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:45 pm
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:

I don't know. I have an aunt who is one of these "birthers," and she's not a racist. She's just a born-again Christian and a complete ******* idiot.


I do not want to pick on your aunt, kickycan, but maybe she is a birther because Obama has a "muslim-sounding" name.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:46 pm
Here's a genuine Kenyan birth certificate I found. Honest!

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/7214cef7810f7fbb0e6f9e411e11e25e.jpg

Make your own -

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

Cycloptichorn
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 12:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
aww, dude!! that's more fun than the "shizzalator"!! Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 01:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Sorry that was a cut and paste job of a gentleman birth certificate by the name of David Bomford from down under a few thousands miles for Kenyan.

Never post your birth certificate online for nuts cases to get a hold of.

Too bad they could not get a hold of at least a real Kenyan certificate to play cut and paste games with..
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