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@Foofie,

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Then that is illegal, since there are laws against death threats.

Not if those threats are issue in the proper constitutional manner. Check with Ican to see how this can be done.

@McGentrix,

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well, hell. Let's just lock up the crazy bastards for interrupting democratic town hall meetings on fear that they might, someday, maybe become terrorists!

What do we look like? The Bush administration?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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getting death threats qualifies as credible in my book, robert.

Not all death threats are created equal. Some are credible, the overwhelming majority are not. I've received death threats that I openly laughed at (from an idiot named Paulo Kull most recently who didn't even know what country I lived in but decided to let me know he'd kill me soon).

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we don't like to believe it about america, but we have our share of full on crazy bastards here, too.

But we aren't discussing whether or not we have crazy people, that just isn't in dispute.

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main point for me is how after all of the right wing gnashing of teeth about william ayers and domestic terrorism, they say not a word about the stuff that is beginning to come up, and what the implications are.

Ayers founded an organization that carried out bombings, that is a very big difference from some idiots making empty death threats.

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this is the kind of **** that can get out of control and get innocent people killed.

Anything is the kind of thing that can get out of control and get innocent people killed. Even things like a soccer game, a beer, a woman, a watch....

This is nasty stuff, but I think calling it terrorism renders terrorism meaningless. If the violence is realized I'd agree that it constitutes terrorism but there have always been empty political death threats and a handful now over health care is really not much of a difference from the status quo under any administration (a few lefties here have come close to saying they'd have been willing to kill Bush to prevent his presidency).

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@Setanta,

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Does that make the United States a hotbed of terrorism?

Not only that, there are many other things that make the United States a hotbed of terrorism. Funding terrorism, training terrorists, supplying terrorists with equipment and manuals specifically targeting important infrastructure and targeting people to instill great fear, ...

If you put your mind to it for several minutes, Set, you could very likely come up with a much longer list. But that would be much much too mentally uncomfortable, wouldn't it?

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@McGentrix,

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on your way to your government controlled bank

A big fat NO to government controlled banks. The banking industry in the US has shown itself to be extraordinarily competent in policing itself. Their motto: "There's no excess that we can't fix with even greater excess".

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@McGentrix,

don't be a numbnuts, mc.. c'mon, you are smarter than that.

you are just so cavalier about someone getting hurt or killed. do you really think all of this "kill him", "you're gonna die" **** is okay?

would it be okay if it was your wife picking up the fon and hearing that bullshit? what about your kids?

would that be okay? would that be free speech? would that be the right to complain to the government?

and if a few rounds come through the window now and then, well ****, second amendment says even crazy bastards can have a gun, right?

but his right to possess a weapon ends when he endangers the safety of others. at that point, he is no longer covered by the constitution.

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all the government controlled jazz is just plain paranoid...

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@Setanta,

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Thousands of people in the United States get death threats all the time. Does that make the United States a hotbed of terrorism? You need to grow a sense of proportion . . .

my sense of proportion is this; something's cooking and it ain't soup.

it's not the death threat it's self that i'm saying is "domestic terrorism". it is the fact that it is delivered in pursuit of a socio/political agenda.

just seems like a big difference between that kind of orchestrated thing and something as simple as marital infidelity, or what not.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

... If the violence is realized I'd agree that it constitutes terrorism....

my point exactly. but, if people are getting what the cops are calling "credible" threats (and the post i originally commented on said that they were. ), that would be checked out in the normal way.

but if investigations lead to an organized effort that needs to be looked into further.

and if a socio/political direct action is achieved, would you then agree that like william ayers, timothy mcveigh and eric rudolph, it is domestic terrorism?

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@Robert Gentel,

btw, it is usually helpful to know what country your intended victim is in.. that one made me chuckle...

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@JTT,

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Then that is illegal, since there are laws against death threats.

Not if those threats are issue in the proper constitutional manner. Check with Ican to see how this can be done.

You are having fun on this thread?

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Lol

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August 11, 2009
Categories: Barack Obama
Orly Taitz " not just a birther!

Esquire's John Richardson tagged along with birther leader Orly Taitz and some of her followers in Kentucky " quite the spectacle:

We set off in a flotilla of cars. When we got to the state office complex an hour later, it took less than ten minutes for us to get badges and pass through security. A man named George Wilding, the manager of Kentucky's Public Corruption Unit, led us to a conference room. A few minutes later, we were joined by Bob Foster, Kentucky's Commissioner of Criminal Investigations.

Then Taitz began to talk, and she did not stop for 15 solid minutes: Obama forged this and his campaign forged that and these are his false addresses and here's something very strange that Justice Scalia told her at a book signing and here are the 500,000 signatures collected by WorldNetDaily magazine demanding an investigation ...

Finally Wilding held up a hand. "Let me just stop you right there. What applies to Kentucky?"

One of the citizens starts showing him documents. "This is clearly his school record that shows that he was a citizen of Indonesia ..."

"I don't understand what that has to do with the Kentucky attorney general's office," Wilding repeated.

"He was on the ballot here in Kentucky," Taitz said.

"That was a federal election. There are federal-election laws. The FBI investigates those. So I believe that your best venue and jurisdiction lies with the U.S. district court and the FBI."

That's when Taitz lost it. "I can see that you are hell-bent on doing absolutely nothing," she said, eyes flaring. "You want to pass the buck."

"No ma'am. I'm trying to follow the law."

"I'm going to the FBI and not only reporting Obama, I'm going to report you for refusing to investigate crimes. You have a duty to investigate those crimes! Why are people paying salary for this whole office of attorney general of Kentucky? To do nothing?"

"I think we're finished," Foster said.

But Taitz wasn't finished. She marched her troops straight over to the secretary of state's office and did the exact same presentation all over again. Then she headed to the FBI to do it a third time. And the whole time, she never stopped talking:

Goldman Sachs runs the treasury.

Obama is a puppet.

There's a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution.

Baxter International " a major Obama contributor " developed a vaccine for bird flu that actually kills people.

Google Congressman Alcee Hastings and House Bill 684 and you'll see that they're planning at least six civilian labor camps.

Google an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about train cars with shackles.

The communist dictator Hugo Chavez way back in 2004 purchased the Sequoia software that runs our voting machines and the mainstream media won't report any of it " not even Fox because Saudi Arabia bought a percentage of Fox in 2007.

This is the stuff that the media never gives Taitz a chance to say because it's so focused on the news hook of the "birther" issue. (And, believe me, this has been merely a tiny sample of what I saw on my road trip this spring.)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Orly_Taitz__not_just_a_birther.html?showall

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Maher was right when he said that we are a stupid country.

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@Cycloptichorn,

That's hilarious, Cyclo . . . you couldn't make up **** that good . . .

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@Cycloptichorn,

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There's a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution.

How do they keep those holes from drifting in?

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@Cycloptichorn,

more than anything else, these people are just a plain old fashioned pain in the ass.

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@Cycloptichorn,

As amusing as that article is, it still has at its heart the ad hominem logical fallacy.

Just because one Birther is batshit crazy doesn't necessarily make them all crazy.

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@DrewDad,

I think that Lou Dobbs is losing it. I cannot see CNN keeping this guy.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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There's a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution.

How do they keep those holes from drifting in?

see, now that is another waste of money. they have at least 4000 holes in Blackburn, Lancashire. and though those holes are rather small, it would be a 4000 hole savings even with shipping the bodies over there.

with all the crazy stuff being said theses days, i find my logic here, in this particular case, to be flawless.

and anybody who disagrees with me is a marxist nazi granny killer that wants to trample on my freedoms, like they do in kenya with their keynesian ways...

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@DrewDad,

Sorry give the facts they are all crazy by being birthers no other reason needed.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Google Congressman Alcee Hastings and House Bill 684 and you'll see that they're planning at least six civilian labor camps.

Actually, its HR 645, not 684.
But the writer is correct about what the bill would do sort of.

Here is the actual bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h645:

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