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The Baseball Thread

 
 
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 07:40 am
@Miller,

not for a long, long time...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 07:42 am

marlins dump, part III...
Quote:
According to multiple reports, the Toronto Blue Jays will land SS Jose Reyes, righthander Josh Johnson, lefthander
Mark Buehrle, utilityman Emilio Bonifacio, and catcher John Buck
for shortstop Yunel Escobar, infielder Adeiny
Hechavarria, outfielder Jason Marisnick, catcher Jeff Mathis, righthander Henderson Alvarez, lefthander Justin
Nicolino, and righthander Anthony DeSclafani
.
(bahstin.com)
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:10 pm
@Region Philbis,
I'm so glad I didn't help buy them that gaudy ass new stadium.

criminal...
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firefly
 
  1  
Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:26 pm
Quote:
Cabrera and Posey Win M.V.P. Awards With Ease
By TYLER KEPNER
November 15, 2012

The final pitch of the World Series was a fastball to Miguel Cabrera that settled into Buster Posey’s glove for a called third strike. It was a fitting way to end a baseball season in which both were voted their league’s most valuable player by emphatic margins

Posey, the catcher for the San Francisco Giants, took the National League award on Thursday with 27 of 32 first-place votes from baseball writers. Cabrera, the third baseman for the Detroit Tigers, won 22 of 28 first-place votes in the American League, a somewhat surprising margin of victory over Mike Trout, the electrifying rookie outfielder for the Los Angeles Angels.

“I thought it was going to be a close vote,” Cabrera said, adding later, “I’m very excited.”

The debate over Cabrera and Trout, which raged on the Internet, did not amount to much among voters. Trout won six votes for first place, 19 for second and one for third. Cabrera was first or second on every ballot.

Cabrera won the A.L. triple crown, leading the league in average (.330), homers (44) and runs batted in (139), becoming the first major leaguer to accomplish the feat since Boston’s Carl Yastrzemski in 1967. Trout, an outstanding defensive outfielder, led the league in runs (129) and steals (49), while hitting 30 homers, driving in 83 runs (mostly from the leadoff spot) and batting .326. With three more hits, he would have beaten Cabrera by a point for the batting title.

“Anybody that follows baseball, it intrigued everybody, because it was so unique, with what Cabrera did, with the triple crown not being done in however many years — what an accomplishment, especially in today’s game,” Posey said, adding later, “But on the flip side, looking at Trout’s numbers, they blow your mind.”

Trout’s season was one of the best of modern times, as judged by Wins Above Replacement, a statistic that estimates a player’s overall contribution to his team. According to Baseball-Reference.com, Trout had a WAR of 10.7, meaning he accounted for 10.7 more victories than a readily available replacement player would have produced. Cabrera’s WAR was 6.9, which ranked fourth in the league.

Every other position player with a single-season WAR as high as Trout’s is in the Hall of Fame except Barry Bonds, who is not yet eligible. The names of the others are a gallery of the greatest players in history: Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Yastrzemski, Joe Morgan and Cal Ripken.

The last position player with a WAR as high as Trout’s who did not win the M.V.P. was Mays, in 1964, when he lost to St. Louis’s Ken Boyer. Mays did not get a single first-place vote that year, but he followed up by winning the M.V.P. in 1965.

Of course, WAR was still decades from being created then, and the statistics of the triple crown categories commanded the most attention. Voters now have a more nuanced understanding of what those statistics really mean, but the 45-year gap between triple crown winners seemed to work in Cabrera’s favor.

Accomplishing something so rare, and so revered in the game’s history, gave Cabrera an edge. He added to it by helping the Tigers reach the playoffs, albeit with only 88 victories, one fewer than the Angels, who finished third in the A.L. West. (The Angels were 6-14 before promoting Trout in late April.)

And while every game in the season counts the same, of course, Cabrera improved as the races heated up. From Aug. 1 through the end of the regular season, he hit .344 while Trout hit .287. Cabrera also had a much better on-base and slugging percentage than Trout in that time.

Trout, naturally, ran and fielded better than Cabrera all season long. Those skills were readily evident and did not require a calculator to compute. Trout’s talents are breathtaking, helping his team in many different ways.

Cabrera helped the Tigers by shifting from first base to third to accommodate the free agent Prince Fielder. But he was merely adequate in the field and slow on the bases, so his candidacy rested mostly on his performance in the batter’s box. His extraordinary success there, factoring in the historical resonance of the triple crown and the Tigers’ division title, mattered most to some voters.

“Detroit overtook Chicago, and he really led the way for that team,” Feinsand said. “I don’t hold it against Trout that he wasn’t in the big leagues in April — but he wasn’t. He had one less month to make an impact. Trout’s September was good, but it wasn’t great. If he had a great September, who knows? Maybe the Angels get into the playoffs. To me, if two candidates are very, very close, then if one of them leads his team to the postseason, that does mean something to me.”

Sean McAdam of CSN New England voted for Trout, explaining in a column that while he considered Trout’s WAR, he endorsed him because he was more valuable to his team than Cabrera.

“If we’ve learned anything about measuring performance on the field in the last two decades or so, it’s this: Baseball is far more than hits and homers and runs knocked in,” McAdam wrote. “It’s also about preventing runs (in the field) and scoring them, or the very least, getting closer to scoring them (on the bases).”

McAdam continued: “Trout did far, far more of both of these things than did Cabrera. That makes him, in my mind, a far more complete player, and thus, more valuable.”

There was much less debate about Posey, who won the N.L. batting title with a .336 average to go along with 24 homers and 103 runs batted in, while playing the most demanding position on the field. Like Cabrera, Posey got stronger at the end of the season. Starting on Aug. 15, when the Giants’ Melky Cabrera was suspended for a positive steroids test, Posey hit .348 with a .973 on-base-plus-slugging percentage.

The specter of a positive drug test hung over Milwaukee’s Ryan Braun this season, after he avoided a suspension through the appeal process last winter. But voters did not seem to hold it against Braun, who was named among the top four on every ballot. Two writers from Milwaukee and one from Chicago gave first-place votes to Braun, who hit .319 with 41 homers and 122 R.B.I.

Two New York writers gave first-place votes to catcher Yadier Molina, who hit .315 while leading St. Louis to the playoffs. The Yankees’ Robinson Cano finished fourth in the A.L., and the Mets’ David Wright placed sixth in the N.L.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/sports/baseball/miguel-cabrera-and-buster-posey-win-baseballs-mvp-awards.html?hpw
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2012 03:00 pm

... melky, eh?
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2012 07:45 am
@Region Philbis,
If this trade goes through, this makes it really tough for the Sawx in their division. Long, uphill climb for a wounded team with competition from the likes of TB, now Toronto and Yankees and Orioles. YIKES!

Sawx are rumored to be trying for signing of free agent catcher/firstbaseman Mike Napoli ...who is being eyed by everyone.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2012 08:13 am
@Ragman,
Confusing at times for old dense me...there's Miguel Cabrera and Melky Cabrera...2 entirely different beings.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2012 09:44 am
@Ragman,

yeah, the Jays appear to be going for it next year...
the AL EAST as modern day wild wild west?
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2012 09:49 am
@Region Philbis,
Yeah....and will the Sawx be firing blanks? (had to say that)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 01:54 pm

the father of free agency, Marvin Miller has died.
RIP..
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 08:34 pm
here comes the steroid era...

Bonds, Clemens and Sosa on Hall of Fame ballot

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bonds-clemens-sosa-hall-fame-ballot-193817061--mlb.html
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 08:52 pm
@Rockhead,
It's a crying shame...wait, wait - there's no crying in baseball.

Of those 3, none should be voted in ... this time around.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 08:59 pm
@Region Philbis,
He was quite the impactful men of baseball (strongest union in sports) and labor negotiations in general. He should be in Baseball Hall of Fame..except for management keeping him out of HOF.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 04:29 pm

headline of the day...

Source: Red Sox, 7 others eying Mets' Dickey
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2012 06:52 am

what the eff?
Quote:
Dale Sveum shot by Robin Yount

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Chicago Cubs manager Dale Sveum was accidentally hit in the ear
with shrapnel while hunting this offseason with Hall of Famer Robin Yount.

The two were hunting quail in Arizona when Yount bagged a bird, but also Sveum.

"The bird was in front of him and I was about 50 yards up on a hill," Sveum said Tuesday
at baseball's winter meetings. "He got the bird up and lost track of where I was. He
pulled the trigger and was like, 'Uh, oh.' "

Sveum was hit in the back of the right ear by the spray pattern from a six-shot.

"I got drilled with pellets in the back and then one stuck in the ear," he said.

Sveum said there was plenty of blood, but he wasn't worried.

"We do it all the time," Sveum said. "Not that close all the time, but we do get BB's
fall on us."

Sveum said he didn't receive stitches but did refer to Yount as former vice president
Dick Cheney, who famously shot a friend while hunting.
(espn)
George
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2012 06:58 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
headline of the day...
Source: Red Sox, 7 others eying Mets' Dickey
Pervs
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2012 06:59 am
@Region Philbis,
Boys will be boys, huh? Surely Cubs shouldn't be superstitious, but ...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 02:24 pm
@George,

headline of the day, part II...

Dickey wants extension
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2013 02:59 pm
Quote:
MLB to test in-season for HGH

Major League Baseball and the players' association have reached an agreement to expand the sport's
drug program to include random in-season blood testing for human growth hormone and a new test
devised to catch players using testosterone.

"This agreement addresses critical drug issues and symbolizes Major League Baseball's continued
vigilance against synthetic human growth hormone, testosterone and other performance-enhancing
substances," commission Bud Selig said in a statement Thursday. "I am proud that our system allows
us to adapt to the many evolving issues associated with the science and technology of drug testing.
We will continue to do everything we can to maintain a leadership stature in anti-doping efforts in
the years ahead."

Under the changes to baseball's drug agreement, the World Anti-Doping Agency laboratory in Laval,
Quebec, will keep records of each player, including his baseline ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone,
and will conduct Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) tests of any urine specimens that
"vary materially."

Michael Weiner, the head of the MLBPA, heralded the new policy as an important step to beef up the
sport's drug testing program.

"The Players are determined to do all they can to continually improve the sport's Joint Drug Agreement,"
he said in a statement. "Players want a program that is tough, scientifically accurate, backed by the
latest proven scientific methods, and fair; I believe these changes firmly support the players' desires
while protecting their legal rights."

MLB will be the first American professional sports league to test for HGH.
(espn)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2013 05:32 am

RIP stan the man (92) and earl weaver (82)...
 

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