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@Francis,

Francis wrote:

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Once again, HS, you can see that some people live on prejudices..

Yeah, I admit it.
The facts have disproven my opinion.
I owe France an apology; hence: I apologize to France.

David

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

hey ma, I got a merit badge in waterboarding illegal aliens.

I ran into a group of about 15 Boyscouts in uniform
with their Scoutmaster (probably one of their fathers, I imagine)
at a gunnery range. As I was leaving, I showed them my guns
(I had c.5 or 6 of them with me, all of which were chosen for their beauty
and/or historical significance) and gave them $300.oo for ice cream and ammo.

(We did NOT shoot at any Mexicans; its not true.)

David

They just saw you coming and hid.

Explain ?

You don't know joking?

Ed, I see that I misunderstood u.

I thought that u meant that the Boyscouts were shunning me.
I saw this again,
and now I believe that u meant that the Mexicans hid.
That is more humorous.

Forgive my momentary density, if u will be so kind.

David

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@High Seas,

High Seas wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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I bet that there are NO gunnery ranges in France.

David - you just lost that bet....You got a favorite for the Preakness this p.m., btw?
http://www.francs-tireurs.ch/pages/pistolet/ecole_de_tir.html

H.S.:
Thank u.
I am pleased to be mistaken about this; very good link.

I don 't have a favorite in the Preakness.
My cousin, Norma, has shown admirable skill
in selecting the winners of equine competition,
but I have not spoken to her for several months.

David

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

hey ma, I got a merit badge in waterboarding illegal aliens.

I ran into a group of about 15 Boyscouts in uniform
with their Scoutmaster (probably one of their fathers, I imagine)
at a gunnery range. As I was leaving, I showed them my guns
(I had c.5 or 6 of them with me, all of which were chosen for their beauty
and/or historical significance) and gave them $300.oo for ice cream and ammo.

(We did NOT shoot at any Mexicans; its not true.)

David

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Is there not some sort of epidemic of obesity amongst our youth?
Perhaps, you should have specified that they buy granola bars?

Permit me to introduce myself. I am:
1. a libertarian
2. a hedonist
3. a supporter of laissez faire free enterprize
4. a fonetic speller.

I suggested to their Scoutmaster that thay all vote
to decide how to apply any leftover funds, beyond ice cream n ammo.

Thay were not fat.

David

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@Foofie,

Foofie, you are missing the entire issue (which has nothing to do with Red Scares or your opinion of the Mexican elite).

The issue is that in this country, Federal police in uniform are walking on to buses looking for Jews.

The Jews the Border Patrol agents find they pull aside to ask for identification papers... those that don't have the proper papers on their person are detained for questioning (although many have done nothing wrong).

People who are not Jewish (i.e. don't appear Jewish) are not asked for identification papers or even questioned (even though some of them may be breaking the law).

I don't understand why you wouldn't have a problem with this?

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@aidan,

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And I'm sure the INS is just as informed about the status and fact of European immigration- you think?

I'm not going to bother to quote any of Foofie's drivel . . . but it is obvious that the two of you still don't get it. INS agents go out to look for brown skinned people working in traditional "under the table wage" jobs, such as restaurant dishrooms or construction sites. They are looking for Hispanics, Africans or West Indians. They don't go around to other types of businesses, and they don't go around looking for people who have pale skin, blue eyes, blond hair, etc.

Eastern Europeans can fit in. Brown skinned people can't, and Asians, not so much. There are a hell of a lot of Asians here illegally, mostly Chinese, who get imported in scams much like the ones the Coyotes used to lure Hispanics across the border, but the Chinese end up in virtual slave-labor situations, and know so little about European culture and know no English. So they're screwed--they bring them in containers on container ships. The ones who live through the experience usually can look forward to working and living in a restaurant or a sweat-shop, where their **** wages are deducted from the fee of $50,000 and up they are told about only after they arrive here. Eastern Europeans look like white boys, even if they speak with an accent, they have a leg up because they probably speak German or French or both, they can pass as tourists if need be (so long as they dress nicely, the odds that they will never be questioned are on the order of thousands to one). They understand a European culture, which the United States has . . .

But the point which you and Foofie seem too goofy to absorb is that they can pass--they look like they belong here, and they are almost never questioned. INS doesn't go looking for them. Hell, the September 11th crew didn't look like they belonged here, and most of them were here on expired visas, and INS didn't go looking for them. Do you really not get this, or is this just another case of you being obtuse because you want to distinguish yourself by having "a fresh outlook" on a subject about which i suspect you don't know a goddamned thing?

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The most common way for Europeans to live here illegally is as "visa-overstays." In recent years, the U.S. has tightened up requirements, requiring passports which can be electronically read, and taking biometric information (photographs, retinal scans, fingerprints, etc.). According to the Cato Institute, in 1994, more than half of illegal immigrants were visa overstays, who are generally more affluent and better educated than those crossing the border illegally. New measures have helped, but not by too damned much. According to NPR, in 2006, 45% of illegal immigrants were visa overstays. Given that it is reasonable to say that Europeans are not going to be "wetbacks" (that's one hell of a long swim), European illegal immigrants are going to be visa overstays. That means they will be better off financially when they arrive, they will be better educated, and they will look like the majority of the population here, so INS isn't out looking for them--you can't tell by looking

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@Setanta,

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Do you really not get this, or is this just another case of you being obtuse because you want to distinguish yourself by having "a fresh outlook" on a subject about which i suspect you don't know a goddamned thing?

That's the first time you ever made me laugh Setanta...I'm still sitting here laughing.
Distinguish myself?

Thanks.

Anyway...you just keep on suspecting whatever you want.
But I actually agree with much of what you wrote- as you explained yourself here. It was this statement you made:

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and, blue-eyed illegal immigrants don't get swept up by INS precisely because they are blond and blue-eyed.

that I disagree with. It implies that all INS agents might be racially biased. Maybe they're not. Maybe it has more to do with other facts of the differences you went on to outline in your further response- namely- that there are no outward signs.

And then this:

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If you can't tell them apart by looking, the the issue of immigrants is never going to occur to you.

And that's just patently false- especially if you're an INS agent.

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Aidan wrote:

that I disagree with.

You can disagree with it but, having crossed many borders in the world and witnessed many of that stuff (and speaking for myself), I wholeheartedly agree with Setanta.

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@ebrown p,

ebrownp said:

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The issue is that in this country, Federal police in uniform are walking on to buses looking for Jews.

The Jews the Border Patrol agents find they pull aside to ask for identification papers... those that don't have the proper papers on their person are detained for questioning (although many have done nothing wrong).

People who are not Jewish (i.e. don't appear Jewish) are not asked for identification papers or even questioned (even though some of them may be breaking the law).

I don't understand why you wouldn't have a problem with this?

There is definitely profiling going on. And I hate and don't agree with that concept. But I do believe that there's a certain practical aspect and logic in which profiling is at least somewhat legitimately based.

If there were a rush of Americans accessing public funds (which my visa expressly states I CANNOT access while I am living in this country) and taxing the system for British citizens even further than it already is- and someone came on the bus I was on and said, 'I can tell by your accent you're American. Let me see your passport and visa-I'd give it to them.
If it then became apparent that I was here illegally and taxing that system illegally - would I have any justification in feeling wronged that I'd been targeted?
How could I justify doing what I was expressly told was illegal for me to do?

And even if I weren't doing it illegally, but my fellow Americans here in Britain were- why should I be surprised that my papers and circumstances were checked to ascertain whether I was or wasn't?

I can't really blame that on the Immigration authorities. I'd have to look at my fellow Americans who were causing the problem for law abiding and upstanding Americans in Britain.

This doesn't mean I agree with the rabid anti-immigrationists in the US. I don't. I don't care who comes from wherever for a better life for themselves and their children.

But if you're breaking the law - don't be surprised if you get caught.

And if people who look like you are consistently breaking the law - don't be surprised if you get profiled.

Is it right all the time? No.
Do I understand why it happens? Yes

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@Francis,

I've crossed many borders too Francis. I've worked in prisons in which the huge majority of people in for passport fraud (awaiting deportation) were eastern Europeans.
I can't think of one person of color - actually.

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I wish I were blond & blue eyed.

David

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You crack me up, Aidan--you have got to be the biggest liar we have here, and that's saying a lot. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you have experience with it. When the subject was blacks, you tell us that you married a black man, and were married to a black man for sixteen years (by the way, as with most liars, your "facts" don't add up with other stories you've told us). Now that the subject is eastern European immigrants, you tell us you worked in prisons, with illegal immigrants awaiting deportation, and they were all eastern Europeans, and that you don't remember seeing a single "person of color." Yeah . . . right . . . pull the other one. You may be telling the truth (although i sincerely doubt it)--but you've got such a reputation as a liar, willing to make up stories about yourself tailored to the discussion at hand, that no one is going to believe you.

I don't believe you, Mr. Aidan.

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@aidan,

This is complete bull Aidan.

First of all your hypothetical situation is ridiculous. If Americans were singled out by the police in England (or anywhere else)... you don't think there would be a large outcry? The idea that this would ever happen is ridiculous since Americans would never accept this behavior.

But the situation doesn't even match.

What is happening in the US is that the dragnet is based on skin color. American citizens are stopped and asked -- "Your papers please"... but this will only happen to you if you are brown skinned.

Your argument that Hispanics shouldn't complain since they look like people who are "always breaking the law" is especially weak. Apparently you think this is different from white people who don't "always break the law" which is why white people aren't randomly pulled off buses for questioning.

Of course the issue is which laws are important enough to violate civil rights.

The Border Patrol is saving the country from landscapers and college students... maybe the importance of this mission justifies their thuggery.

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In my younger days, I spent a great deal of time in the sun. I was very brown and I was commonly mistaken for Hispanic. Cops actually stopped me to ask for my papers as I walked down the street. Not hitch hiking or working a job commonly associated with illegals, not doing anything at all to call attention to myself, but merely walking. I have never known other non Hispanics to be stopped this way.

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@Setanta,

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You crack me up, Aidan

Well that's a small improvement over the the other day when I 'disgusted' you with my grammar.

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you have got to be the biggest liar we have here

If that's what you think - that's what you think.

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It doesn't matter what the subject is, you have experience with it.

That's not true. I've never dated a much younger or older man/been homosexual or atheist/or loathed oral sex.

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When the subject was blacks, you tell us that you married a black man, and were married to a black man for sixteen years (by the way, as with most liars, your "facts" don't add up with other stories you've told us).

Add up to what? What stories? This is true- though I'm still legally married to him, so the sixteen years part is something you must have dug up from one of those fake letters from Aiden that were floating around at one point.

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Now that the subject is eastern European immigrants, you tell us you worked in prisons, with illegal immigrants awaiting deportation, and they were all eastern Europeans, and that you don't remember seeing a single "person of color."

I did. I taught in a prison in Wiltshire , UK.
I also taught in a young offender's institution in New York State. I hesitate to give the name of the specific institutions as I have related some experiences from these prisons on this forum and that might compromise the confidentiality of the students I worked with in those places.
And it's also true that I don't remember seeing a single person of color imprisoned for the specific crime of passport fraud and awaiting deportation.

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I don't believe you, Mr. Aidan.

You're kidding me?! What a surprise Satanta. I figured we were such good friends you'd trust me with your life never mind what I relate as the facts of MY life!

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@ebrown p,

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This is complete bull Aidan.

First of all your hypothetical situation is ridiculous. If Americans were singled out by the police in England (or anywhere else)... you don't think there would be a large outcry?

I'm sure there would be.

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The idea that this would ever happen is ridiculous since Americans would never accept this behavior.

I would. If a British official asked me for my passport and visa - I'd show it to him/her.

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But the situation doesn't even match.

I know - you're hypothetical situation employed the allegory of Jews who weren't doing anything illegal. They were just being Jewish.

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What is happening in the US is that the dragnet is based on skin color. American citizens are stopped and asked -- "Your papers please"... but this will only happen to you if you are brown skinned.

Very unfortunate.

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Your argument that Hispanics shouldn't complain since they look like people who are "always breaking the law" is especially weak.

I didn't say they shouldn't complain. They certainly should. I also didn't say that Hispanics look like people who are always breaking the law.

I just said that profiling could be based on statistical probabilities at least as much as its based on personal or biased prejudice by INS agents.

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Apparently you think this is different from white people who don't "always break the law" which is why white people aren't randomly pulled off buses for questioning.

You're wrong about that. Where did I say that?

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Of course the issue is which laws are important enough to violate civil rights.

Yes.

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The Border Patrol is saving the country from landscapers and college students... maybe the importance of this mission justifies their thuggery

I think the issue is slightly more complicated than that.

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@aidan,

You didn't disgust me with grammar, i was disgusted by the idiocy of using the noun impact as a verb. As far as i can see, your grammar is fine--it's the content that sucks.

As for the rest of your drivel, you either are too stupid to see the point or too obtuse to acknowledge it. Your story (and i consider it no more than a story cobbled together for sake of argument) is meaningless, whether or not it is true, because it is anecdotal. This is what you always miss when you trot out your bullshit routines designed to imply that you know what you're talking about--your experiences are not evidence of anything other than what you took out of them, if, indeed, they have even taken place--which i doubt.

I've never seen any "letters from Aidan" and wouldn't waste my time with them if i did. I am referring to the bullshit you posted.

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I wish the Border Patrol got increases of funding and staffing
to effectively seal our southern border.
We need an impenetrable fence there.
The Mexicans r cutting thru and/or scaling the one we have.
Maybe we can put a lot of booby traps -- a mine field-- along
the American side of the fence. Give the Mexicans plenty of
notice thereof-- maybe some pictures of unsuccessful boobys that got trapped, to dissuade them.

America belongs to US not to them.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

david, having lived in arizona I would assume you realize the utter stupidity of implementing an impenetrable fence the length of the US/Mexico border.

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