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Our Toughest President...Here's The Proof

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 08:27 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Whether or not th F-22 or any other weapon system has a a snowball's chance of making us more secure (And I will argue vociferously that they do), why, for the purposes of economic stimulus, should we not fund them?


B/c it doesn't provide a good return on the stimulus dollar spent, and we don't need any more of them.
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State senators and representatives are bitching loud and strong about these cuts because, primarily, of their economic input.

So are we to believe that economic stimulus dollars devoted to enhancing the Smithstonian and favoring promotion of condoms is a better spend than improving our defense systems?


Yes. Our defense systems do not need improving in the slightest.

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If, to revive our economy, we have to vomit billions of taxpayers dollars, doesn't it make more sense to spend this cash on things that even might have a benefit to our security, rather than upscaling a ******* exhibit hall?


No, it doesn't make more sense, John. See, you only feel that way if, deep inside, you're a frightened little pussy who wants to see ever-expanding amounts of resources spent 'protecting' you. Grow up a bit and you won't be so scared all the time.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 08:42 am



PrezBO is proving to be our weakest president ever.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If, to revive our economy, we have to vomit billions of taxpayers dollars, doesn't it make more sense to spend this cash on things that even might have a benefit to our security, rather than upscaling a ******* exhibit hall?

I've said before that I wish every single stimulus dollar was spent on research. Much better for long-term prosperity.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:23 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If, to revive our economy, we have to vomit billions of taxpayers dollars, doesn't it make more sense to spend this cash on things that even might have a benefit to our security, rather than upscaling a ******* exhibit hall?

I've said before that I wish every single stimulus dollar was spent on research. Much better for long-term prosperity.


I agree.

Research that results in the elimination of liberal left wing extremist and liberalism once and for all is money well spent.
old europe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:26 am
@H2O MAN,
Yeah! Go, one-party state!

Well said, waterboy!
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:30 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If, to revive our economy, we have to vomit billions of taxpayers dollars, doesn't it make more sense to spend this cash on things that even might have a benefit to our security, rather than upscaling a ******* exhibit hall?

I've said before that I wish every single stimulus dollar was spent on research. Much better for long-term prosperity.


I agree.

Research that results in the elimination of liberal left wing extremist and liberalism once and for all is money well spent.


Now, Aquabitch, I'm going to have to ask you to sit in the time out chair and be quiet for the remainder of class. If your antics persist I will have to send a letter to your mother--or just tell her about your misbehavior tonight when she and I are making babies.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:34 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
I agree.

Research that results in the elimination of liberal left wing extremist and liberalism once and for all is money well spent.

I can't decide if you're drunk, high, brain damaged, low functioning, or some combination of all four.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 08:14 pm
Maybe if we didn't want anyone we didn't like to have nuclear technology we should have

A: Nuked every goddam country in the world back in the day...

B:Not sold nuke technology to every third world ************ with a couple of bucks....

C: Not opened Pandorasas box by dropping a goddam nuke in the first place....

what the **** were you thinking would happen over time anyway you stupid son of a bitch?? Jesus Christ.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2009 05:15 pm
@farmerman,
Actually, I remember warnings that Bush would become a dictator through force, not that he would seek president for life status from a permanent underclass kept happy with Robin Hood handouts.

Point taken though.

I've readily dismissed (and rightly so) the Chicken Little warnings from the Left, and so my dire predictions should, rightly, be considered premature. However, there is something about Obama that really worries me. He's not at all the classic flower child Lib (McGovern or Carter) nor is he the middle ground safety seeking Dem (Clinton). This guy is a leftist, and while I have great difficulties with leftism, I'm not using the term as a pejorative.

Time will tell of course, and I certainly hope I'm wrong, but when I was a liberal, the Repubs never scared me, and when I became a conservative, the Dems never scared me...until now.

Certainly no real reason to take my prediction seriously, but I'm sticking by it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2009 05:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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B/c it doesn't provide a good return on the stimulus dollar spent, and we don't need any more of them.


Sez you, but not the tens of thousands of workers who derive a paycheck from F-22 manufacturing.

And having the dominant, state of the art air force is sure as hell a better return than half of the programs being funded by stimulus dollars



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Yes. Our defense systems do not need improving in the slightest.


You don't know what you are talking about. Other nations can now match the formerly dominant F-16. A 1:6 F-22 to F-16 ratio may give us an advantage, but it doesn't insure dominance, and air dominance saves lives on the ground.

But even if we buy your dreck, we have a great need for an upgraded Smithsonian, and all the other pork projects being funded by the stimulus package?


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No, it doesn't make more sense, John. See, you only feel that way if, deep inside, you're a frightened little pussy who wants to see ever-expanding amounts of resources spent 'protecting' you. Grow up a bit and you won't be so scared all the time.



"John?" Sorry Cyclo, bad guess.

Advise from you to grow up is really rich.

Classic loud mouthed, safe and smug Lib-rant. "We don't need more defense. If we just talk to these guys they'll leave us alone." Then the fit hits their shan, and it is "Why didn't the government protect us. People need to be convicted!"

It never ceases to amaze (and amuse) me how often Liberals who would never be caught dead saying anything politically incorrect about a homosexual, so frequently (like you) resort to sophomoric attacks on their opponents masculinity.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2009 05:45 pm
@DrewDad,

There are times you make a lot of sense DD
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2009 05:53 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
It's just that simple...right?

Whatever got us to this point based on the good or bad decisions of those who went before us, it's our asses, and the asses of our families and friends that are on the line.

I'm not willing for my family and I to pay for the real or imagined sins of American leaders who are either dead or out of power.

And I know that the vast majority of the hand wringing, Blame America First crowd are not either...no matter what they may say.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 07:11 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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Funny, he's 'gutting' the military by increasing the budget by 4% next year.

Cycloptichorn


Arent you the same person that complained that Bush "gutted" the budget for the VA, even though it went UP by 27%?

If I remember correctly, the dems and many of the left on here constantly claimed that Bush didnt care about veterans because he cut the budget for the VA, when the facts showed that the budget INCREASED by 27%.

So, if a 27% increase was a cut, then a 4% increase must also be a "gutting" of the military.

http://www.factcheck.org/funding_for_veterans_up_27_but_democrats.html

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In Bush’s first three years funding for the Veterans Administration increased 27%. And if Bush's 2005 budget is approved, funding for his full four-year term will amount to an increase of 37.6%.

In the eight years of the Clinton administration the increase was 31.7%

Those figures include mandatory spending for such things as payments to veterans for service-connected disabilities, over which Congress and presidents have little control. But Bush has increased the discretionary portion of veterans funding even more than the mandatory portion has increased. Discretionary funding under Bush is up 30.2%.

By any measure, veterans funding is going up faster under Bush than under Clinton.

DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 09:32 am
@mysteryman,
The difference there, IMO, is the additional costs that Bush caused for the VA system.

Kinda like giving someone $25 and making them spend $50.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 10:55 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If, to revive our economy, we have to vomit billions of taxpayers dollars, doesn't it make more sense to spend this cash on things that even might have a benefit to our security, rather than upscaling a ******* exhibit hall?

I've said before that I wish every single stimulus dollar was spent on research. Much better for long-term prosperity.


good call DD
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 10:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It's just that simple...right?

Whatever got us to this point based on the good or bad decisions of those who went before us, it's our asses, and the asses of our families and friends that are on the line.

I'm not willing for my family and I to pay for the real or imagined sins of American leaders who are either dead or out of power.

And I know that the vast majority of the hand wringing, Blame America First crowd are not either...no matter what they may say.


Yes finn.. it is that simple. It may not be practical... and I realize it isn't... I live in the real world...but it's still right ******* dead on.

We opened Pandoras Box... and by we I mean mankind.... so now we cannot ignore what was always going to be the result... everyone having a nuke.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 05:09 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
I don't think I understand what you are saying.

The history of nuclear weapons is what it is. My point is that whatever it is, it doesn't need to dictate the future.

In other words, whether or not mistakes were made in the past that allowed proliferation doesn't mean we have to accept additional proliferation.

We can, if we want, stop Iran from developing nukes. We may not want to do what it will take, but we still can. Continued proliferation is not a foregone conclusion, and the fact that prior leaders made mistakes doesn't mean we are bound by them.

There may be legitimate reasons why Pandora's Box can't be closed, but the fact that we opened it is not one.

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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 08:42 pm
there are reasons a box may not be closed but the fact that it was opened has no connection? riiiight....
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2009 04:59 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Sure, it's of interest to understand why the box was opened, and who opened it, but how does it help us close the box?

Even if we accept that the US was guilty of war crimes when it dropped the A-bomb on two Japanese cities, it is idiotic to suggest that Americans in 2009 have no right to take action to protect themselves against a similar attack.

We don't have to take a couple of nukes to clear the karmic slate, and if we do, then eff karma, because I'm not willing for me and mine to pay for the sins of our fathers.

Hey, if you want to self-flagellate for the perceived evil done by "Give 'Em Hell" Harry, whip away.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2009 05:36 pm
Finn, I'm not self flagellating...just saying that what's happening now is the result of our earlier actions... just say **** everyone but us and be done with it and stop trying to dress it up without all this goddam spreading democracy and we're any different from any other bullies horseshit....I don't give a ****.
 

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