Plane crashes into Hudson River

Segue into my favorite movie character of all time--Bat Guano, in Dr. Strangelove.

No worries Frank. I'm just havin fun with ya

Oh, I know. The golf courses must be a mess

No no, I love all creatures, even when they **** on me. I did swear at it and gave it a piece of my mind, following with my middle finger, though.

So, are they saying it was geese with the plane engines? seagulls?


I myself had a personal contretemps with a goose. Snort. I was jogging to the jetty via the canals when a goose got in my path, and I stopped to address it (think of golf balls). It started pecking at my knees, and I was wearing shorts. I tried to pat it off, laughing. It kept up with the pecking, I kept laughing. Still laughing as I speeded up. It was a guard goose, I bet. (I had prior experience with a guard duck, in that case a known neighborhood protector. Foxy was its name...)

Sometime later I saw a lot of geese on the fly from the north, but there were wetland sanctuaries for them in Humboldt county.

I've seen some become very agressive towards people. Never myself as they seemed to like me, but I've seen them chase people

Oh, and regarding the plane, I think they thought geese at first, but learned later it was gulls.

I have a secret - I do too - I just act like I can't stand them.

On the news this morning, they mentioned geese. Although I suppose it is difficult to tell - I am sure they are mincemeat now.

I have just done four flights (2 of them on the same aircraft that landed in the Hudson) in the emergency exit row.

While I made sure that I did know how to operate the exits (in a cynical "like we'd be alive" kind of way) I'll be taking that VERY seriously in future.

(While still thinking "like we'd be alive".)

Have any of you seen the movie "Fearless". Some of the passengers mentioned the landing was similar to that - the panic and stuff at first. I remember once having a dream I was in a plane crash and it was just like that movie (most likely because I've seen the movie), but it was one of those dreams that just felt "real".

I don't want to be in the key seat in the exit row, though I have been. I have a clumsy streak.

I bet websites that have plane safety instructions are doing well now.

Meantime, I think Sully is sharp, having looked at his website yesterday. But even he with his experience may have aftereffects from this. What a shivermaker.

I figure games are being designed up the wazoo now... no, I mean up the Hudson. Movie treatments being hurled..


Seems like the passengers were as great as the pilot. Not to heroize people, but to enjoy.

I have a question for all you engineer types.

Why is it that they don't have some sort of wire mesh covering the openings of the turbine engines to better protect them from impacts with birds?

It is so obviously a solution to me that there must be a reason it is not done. Would the mesh create such an obstructed air flow in the engines that it would not be used? Is there no light-weight mesh strong enough to withstand the impact of birds at jet air speeds?

This morning they said something along the lines about the impact of a bird on a plane when it is taking off. The impact of a 5 kg (12 pound) bird at 240 km/h (150 mph) equals that of a 1/2 ton (1000 pound) weight dropped from a height of 3 meters (10 ft). So it would destroy the mesh opening.

Good question..

I'll guess the screen that would begin to do any good might impede (somehow),

and still get gummed up with a flock, obliterating the power (somehow).

It seems like it isn't one bird that can do this, but many.

So said out of total ignorance.


awaits answers to your question..

Here is a great article describing how this happens...
http://www.livescience.com/technology/090115-jet-engine-bird-strikes.html

Not if Gus is, at that moment, thinking of his birds, Roger.

Right after Gus laid claim to it, ... you ole two timer, Montana.

Shhhhhhh....No one has to know

Well, he is speaking of his flock.

Thanks, by the way. I feared the digression was going to die.

Thanks for the link, linkat.. that helped.

..still wondering about butrflynet's idea of a screen..