Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Ever been to a museum and looked at the fat loot made by "Christians" during the Middle Ages? Treasury rooms of cathedrals are full of holy Muslim artifacts, too.

oralloy wrote:

But still, that's the choice.

Says you.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Further ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Zionists won't be allowed by the international community.

If the Palestinians reject peace again, it will be the only option left.

Nuh-uh

oralloy wrote:

The US and Israel will come to accept that reality. And then the US will look the other way and let Israel do what they have to.

Says you.

oralloy wrote:

The rest of the world will not be able to do anything but whine piteously. And earplugs are a great solution to excessive whining.

Nuh-uh

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Genetic research is very clear on the fact that the Palestinians are not descendants of the Hebrews/Israelites. They are descendants of one of the other four Iron Age cultures that sprung up from the ashes after the collapse of Canaanite civilization.

Where’s the research?

http://able2know.org/topic/187766-2#post-5107700

If you’re referring to the article that max cites, it points to the fact that "Jews" from other parts of the world are mostly people from those areas with Semitic admixture.

Palestinians exhibit some admixture from European and Arabic peoples that went to Palestine.

Where in that article does it state that the Palestinians are descendants of one of the other four Iron Age cultures that sprung up from the ashes after the collapse of Canaanite civilization, but not Hebrews and Israelites?

oralloy wrote:

Yes. They were part of the same population during the Bronze Age.

And well into the present.

The handful of Arab Jews that were in Palestine at the time of the Zionist arrogation were the same basic people as the Gentile Palestinians.

The Zionists were Europeans with Semitic admixture.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

References to long gone ancient kingdoms are irrelevant to genetic studies.

Wrong. When genetic studies show that two populations were part of the Canaanite populace during the Bronze Age, but then diverged and were two separate populations during the Iron Age, a look at the various populations that were Iron Age descendants of the Canaanites is highly relevant.

Where are these genetic studies that show this supposed divergence of the population during the Iron Age?

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Then you’re only discrediting yourself when you conflate science with the ridiculous notion that the Israelites and the Israelis are the same,

There is no conflation. Just my statement of scientific fact.
That you find science ridiculous does not change the reality that modern Israeli Jews are the descendants of the Israelites.

Now you’re changing the argument.
You had said that the Israelites and the Israelis are the same.
They are not.
Now you’re saying that modern Israeli Jews are the descendants of the Israelites.
Sure, modern Israeli Jews have Israelite descent,

so do the Palestinians.

Again, this does not validate the assertion that "the Jews are the rightful owners of Palestine."

oralloy wrote:

And no, I don't agree that adhering to science discredits me.

You’re not adhering to science, however.

Why would people accuse Sharon for Sabra and Shatila then? He also didn't do it, he just didn't interfere with the phalangists who did it.

Why would they fire rockets if they got their property returned to them?

You don't understand human nature nor do you understand logic.

No Jewish political entities are allowed on Arab turf.

Foofie wrote:

No Jewish political entities are allowed on Arab turf.

At least not ethnocentrically discriminatory and oppressive Jewish political entities.

It seems that it isn't possible for any Jewish political entity to play nice therein. It has to be replaced by a political entity that play nice with the Palestinians.

Iran's Jewish community is officially recognized as a religious minority group by the government, and, like the Zoroastrians, they are allocated one seat in the Iranian Parliament. Ciamak Moresadegh is the current Jewish member of the parliament, replacing Maurice Motamed in the 2008 election. In 2000, former Jewish MP Manuchehr Eliasi estimated that at that time there were still 60,000–85,000 Jews in Iran; most other sources put the figure at 25,000. The United States State Department estimated the number of Jews in Iran at 20,000–25,000 as of 2009.

Today Tehran has 11 functioning synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools. It has two kosher restaurants, an old-age home and a cemetery. There is a Jewish library with 20,000 titles. Iranian Jews have their own newspaper (called "Ofogh-e-Bina") with Jewish scholars performing Judaic research at Tehran's "Central Library of Jewish Association". The "Dr. Sapir Jewish Hospital" is Iran's largest charity hospital of any religious minority community in the country; however, most of its patients and staff are Muslim.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Why would they fire rockets if they got their property returned to them?

You don't understand human nature nor do you understand logic.

Because, like the Arab armies that fought four wars against Israel, all of the Middle East is supposed to be owned by Arabs. No Jewish political entities are allowed on Arab turf.

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any less vacuous.

InfraBlue wrote:

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any less vacuous.

Your extremist denials of science and history just keep giving me easy wins.

InfraBlue wrote:

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any less vacuous.

Your extremist denials of science and history just keep giving me easy wins.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any less vacuous.

Your extremist denials of science and history just keep giving me easy wins.

Ifra is a fanatic whose raison d'etre seems limited to mindlessly railing against Israel and Jews. He would be quite happy to see Israel destroyed and the Jews slaughtered.

Frank says that the maiming and slaughter will continue in the area. But I have not seen much of this for quite a while. I guess it is true that good fences make good neighbors.

Foofie wrote:

No Jewish political entities are allowed on Arab turf.

At least not ethnocentrically discriminatory and oppressive Jewish political entities.

It seems that it isn't possible for any Jewish political entity to play nice therein. It has to be replaced by a political entity that play nice with the Palestinians.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any less vacuous.

Your extremist denials of science and history just keep giving me easy wins.

Ifra is a fanatic whose raison d'etre seems limited to mindlessly railing against Israel and Jews. He would be quite happy to see Israel destroyed and the Jews slaughtered.