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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2023 12:45 pm
@izzythepush,
Oralloy has no friends here who deny the holocaust. So you're not making sense.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2023 12:54 pm
@Glennn,
Carlos le Baron was a right wing poster who denied the Holocaust.

I pointed out his Holocaust denial to Oralloy with a link and, surprisingly for him, he declined to comment.

When have you ever cared about things making sense anyway?


Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2023 12:56 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
When have you ever cared about things making sense anyway?

Every time I catch someone making none.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2023 07:31 pm
@revelette1,
The powers that be opine that Israel's "Right to Exist," i.e. its right to exist exclusively for one demographic, Jews, trumps the Palestinians' Right of Return which is guaranteed by various international resolutions and treaties. The stillborn Two State Solution that many of these powers endorse implicitly denies this right of the Palestinians and has allowed the Zionists to herd the Palestinian populations into concentration camps where they are oppressed and persecuted by the Zionists. The Oslo Accords merely granted the Palestinian leadership certain authority over the rest of the Palestinian concentration camp population.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 02:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
Hardly concentration camps. The Gaza Strip has plenty of room for the Palestinians.

Preventing Palestinians from murdering people is hardly oppression.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 02:16 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
They are very good at conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism,

That's because most criticism of Israel is antisemitism.


izzythepush wrote:
On Able2Know people like Oralloy dismiss the slightest criticism of Israel as antisemitic

Falsely accusing Jews of imaginary atrocities and then "condemning" them for those supposed atrocities is very much antisemitism.

Disguising these false accusations by directing them "at Israel" instead of "at Jews" does not change anything.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 02:17 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I mean, why does it continue to acceptable for Israel to just say, this part of the land we claim, they build settlements and cultivate it, and they are allowed to keep doing it because they can?

Because it is acceptable for nations to claim land and build settlements on it.


revelette1 wrote:
We continue to pay lip service to Palestinian's rights, but actually never do anything at all about it, while Israel just keeps claiming more land.

Do anything about what? The Palestinians are war criminals, and Israel manages to keep them under control pretty well.

Israel is not claiming more land. They are using their existing land.


revelette1 wrote:
And then when Palestinians stand up for their rights and bombs Israel because no one else will, they get condemned

The Palestinians are not standing up for any rights. They just like to murder people.

Other people don't bomb Israel because most people are not murderers.

The Palestinians are condemned because most people oppose murder.


revelette1 wrote:
while Israel just keeps on getting more land and oppressing and killing Palestinians. No end in sight.

Israel is not getting more land. They are using their existing land.

Preventing Palestinians from murdering people is not oppression.

Why would there be an end in sight? The plan is for Israel to last forever.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 08:20 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Hardly concentration camps. The Gaza Strip has plenty of room for the Palestinians.

Your opinion about the room in the Gaza Strip does not negate the fact that the Zionists have herded the Palestinians into concentration camps.

oralloy wrote:

Preventing Palestinians from murdering people is hardly oppression.

One thing is preventing the murdering of people, another thing is the oppression and persecution perpetrated by the Zionists upon the Palestinians to perpetuate their ends of an ethnocentric state in all of Palestine.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 09:04 pm
@InfraBlue,
No Palestinians have been placed in any concentration camps.

Israel is neither oppressing nor persecuting any Palestinians (or anyone else for that matter).
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 09:44 pm
@oralloy,
international law, treaties, and the UN disagree with you. Fail.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2023 10:07 pm
@MontereyJack,
Wrong. International law, treaties, and the UN, all fully agree with me that the Palestinians are war criminals for refusing to ever make peace with Israel.

If the Palestinians want any land to be given to them, they will need to stop being war criminals first.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2023 10:37 am
@oralloy,
You have no idea what you are whining about. Israelis expropriated palestinian land they had no right to and have spent decades illegaly squatting on it and b n
Building onit. They aRe the aGgressors, not the Pals, and the world recognizes that.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2023 02:40 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

No Palestinians have been placed in any concentration camps.

Yes they have.

oralloy wrote:

Israel is neither oppressing nor persecuting any Palestinians (or anyone else for that matter).

Yes it is.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2023 07:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
MontereyJack wrote:
You have no idea what you are whining about.

I'm not the one who is whining.


MontereyJack wrote:
Israelis expropriated palestinian land they had no right to and have spent decades illegaly squatting on it and building on it.

Israel is not required to hand any land over to a pack of war criminals who refuse to make peace.

If Palestinians want to receive any land, they will have to stop being war criminals and start making peace.


MontereyJack wrote:
They are the aggressors, not the Pals, and the world recognizes that.

That is incorrect. The Palestinians' illegal waging of eternal war without ever making peace makes them the aggressors.


InfraBlue wrote:
Yes they have.
Yes it is.

Funny how no one has ever been able to show the existence of any such concentration camps, oppression, or persecution.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 12:45 am
Pompeo says Israel has biblical claim to Palestine and is ‘not an occupying nation’

Mike Pompeo, the former US secretary of state, has defended Israel’s decades-long control of the Palestinian territories by claiming that the Jewish state has a biblical claim to the land and is therefore not occupying it.

Pompeo told the One Decision podcast that his religious beliefs, US strategic interests and his view of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, as a “known terrorist” underpinned his support as the Trump administration’s top diplomat for the shift in US policy away from mediating a two-state solution and toward more openly siding with Israel.
Source
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 02:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, I would characterize it as: "Israeli Jews being the legitimate indigenous population of the West Bank area".

It is true that the Bible talks of the West Bank area as being their homeland. But their claim is based on the actual fact that it is their homeland rather than the fact that this is mentioned in the Bible.

If the Palestinians would ever show any interest in peaceful negotiation, sure it would be good to mediate peace talks. But until such time as the Palestinians show any interest in making peace, there is no point in wasting our energy with such negotiations.
PoliteMight
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 04:38 am
@Robert Gentel,
There is no reason why there should be people fighting in Israel after COVID.
Israel had the "Miss Universe Pageant" held during COVID. I mean WTF ???
...........
I do not want to go back into this evil nonsense. But just to review.

Ottoman allowed Zionists to setup shop. These was wealthy ( white ) people
from Europe, who brought in artists, and businesses that benefited Palestine as a whole.

Then with the Hitler scare too many people was migrating. They ( Being white people ) started to segregate various areas. These were "Jewish" but at the same time they were Europeans and calculated in a European mindset.

Ottoman had enough of the obvious racism/segregation and stop people from coming over, and even kicked people out. Not only fearing Mussolini but Hitler advancing. Remember USA only enter WWII because of pearl harbor. Agents in the USA already knew of a possible attack on Hawaii AKA the original James Bond story.

After WWII Europe ( who was obviously pro Christian ) dumped refugees ( Jews ) into Israel ( the six day war ). Even many "Russians" ( Eastern Europeans ) fled into Israel. Thus began the mass genocide and extermination of Islamic and Arab people from the land known as Palestine.
Even during the six-day-war UN troops ( Israel backed by foreign powers )
attacked an allied US boat just for the fun of it. Even took a chunk of Egypt and another nation in which Egypt had to reclaim it's boarders.

This crap continues even into today. They just keep finding more messed up ways to make "excuse" to kill innocent people, and make it seems like if "they are the victims". Post COVID when IDF start evicting people, and pushing them into ghettos ( a place where nobody wants to be or belongs or is up for destruction ) then your being no different then Nazi's.


.............
All of this evil is planned out. It is all done on purpose.

Putin wants to be remembered not loved by the world but a rotten dictator.
North Korean leader wants attention so he have his service girls and brutally killed a musician.
USA in Afganistan and Iraq ( nobody talking about Somalia )
Michael Jacksons Love child. blah blah blah
Weapons dealer had a bunch of wives to select from.
Everybody wants scandal.

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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 02:56 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Yes they have.
Yes it is.

Funny how no one has ever been able to show the existence of any such concentration camps, oppression, or persecution.

Yes they have.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 03:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
You must admit that none of them have been found up Oralloy's bottom, and that's his only source of information.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2023 03:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Pompeo says Israel has biblical claim to Palestine and is ‘not an occupying nation’

Mike Pompeo, the former US secretary of state, has defended Israel’s decades-long control of the Palestinian territories by claiming that the Jewish state has a biblical claim to the land and is therefore not occupying it.

Pompeo told the One Decision podcast that his religious beliefs, US strategic interests and his view of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, as a “known terrorist” underpinned his support as the Trump administration’s top diplomat for the shift in US policy away from mediating a two-state solution and toward more openly siding with Israel.
Source

This is the biggest source of support in the US for Israel, Christian Zionists. Their support of Israel is based on their interpretations of the Bible, and their ends of a second coming of Christ, and their efforts to effect their ends which is in stark contrast to most of the secular and religious ends of the Zionists.
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