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Abbas Embraces the Islamists

 
 
Reply Fri 16 May, 2014 03:09 pm
This is great news for the extremists, including those on A2K who despise Israel.


Abbas Embraces the Islamists
Mahmoud Abbas' decision to create a government with Hamas has killed peace negotiations with Israel and sets the Palestinians up for another epic failure.

By David Horovitz, Times of Israel, April 24, 2014

This is good news for Israel, a foreign TV journalist suggested to me on Thursday morning. It has always been a problem that Israel was negotiating with "the moderate" Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas over a Palestinian state in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza, while Gaza was actually run by the uncompromising Islamists of Hamas. Now, surely, since Wednesday's "historic" Fatah-Hamas reconciliation deal, the reporter posited, Abbas is at the helm of a unified Palestinian hierarchy and the talks can make progress in earnest.

Well, no.

Had the reconciliation deal, reached with such extraordinary speed in Gaza on Wednesday, included clauses specifying a commitment by Hamas to recognize Israel, to renounce terrorism and to respect previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements — thus meeting the Middle East Quartet's longstanding demands of would-be peace process participants — there might have been some mileage in the "good news for Israel" argument. But the Fatah-Hamas deal specified nothing of the sort. Quite the reverse. When announcing the agreement, Hamas's Gaza prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, far from expressing an improbable new desire to enter talks with the Zionist enemy, restated his organization's consistent position that the peace process with Israel does not serve Palestinian strategic interests.

For Hamas to have accepted the international quartet's conditions, indeed, would have required it to undergo a reversal of its ideology and policy so complete as to render it no longer Hamas. Obviously, that didn't happen on Wednesday, and nor is it going to happen in the weeks and months ahead. The Palestinian shift we are observing is not one of Hamas undergoing moderation — its interpretation of Islam will never countenance the existence of a Jewish state — but of Abbas's Fatah willingly submitting itself to the bear hug of the Islamic extremists.

Abbas has proved himself a leader inclined to revel in his weakness. He's not set out to destroy Israel. He hasn't sought to foster terrorism against Israel, unlike his unlamented predecessor. But neither has he been prepared to work energetically to create a climate among his people in favor of the compromises necessary for Palestinian statehood alongside, and peace with, Israel. He's not reined in the toxic anti-Israel orientation of the Palestinian media. He's not revolutionized the Palestinian education system. He's hailed evil men and women who have murdered Israelis, extorted their releases from Israel's jails as his price for consenting to negotiate with Israel, and welcomed them home as heroes. He's placed the fate of his people in the hands of other regional leaders and organizations such as the Arab League, rather than taking direct responsibility. He's no Anwar Sadat, no King Hussein.

Six years ago, he chose to pass up prime minister Ehud Olmert's unprecedented peace offer — Gaza, the West Bank with one-for-one land swaps, a shared Jerusalem. It was everything the Palestinians ostensibly want from Israel, and he spurned it. Today, a very weary 79, he's facing a far less generous Israeli leader. The prospects of the man who said no to Ehud Olmert reaching terms with Benjamin Netanyahu were always spectacularly slim to nil. As of Wednesday, nil.

Israel could have done more to encourage him. Notably, it could have declaredly halted settlement expansion in areas it does not intend to keep under any conceivable accord. But it's highly unlikely that this would have made the critical difference. Abbas simply was not willing to tackle the profound anti-Israel sentiment among his people, and was certainly not prepared to risk his own well-being, for the noble, high-risk cause of a negotiated path to statehood.

Wednesday's superficial unity deal — the new incarnation of an on-off partnership between rival Palestinian factions that thoroughly loathe each other — was Abbas's latest act of willful weakness. He is escaping the deeply uncomfortable pressure to compromise with Israel and instead embracing a veneer of Palestinian unity. It was also an act that underlined the impotence of the American interlocutors, whose warnings against an alliance with Hamas were blithely ignored.

Terribly, it opens the path to a possible deterioration into more of the violence that blighted all of our lives a decade ago. It likely marks the start of an intensified Palestinian effort to demonize Israel on the world stage, with the international community unlikely to need much persuading that Netanyahu is the architect of all our region's misfortune.

Good news for Israel? Anything but. Good news for nobody but the extremists.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 18 May, 2014 09:09 pm

When unilateral acts start coming against Israel, all Israel needs to do is declare the Security Fence as their official border and annex everything west of it.

If the Palestinians start lobbing rockets from the West Bank, that then justifies removing them from the West bank.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2014 04:50 pm
The USA embraces the apartheid state of Israel. The USA embraces and installs vicious right wing dictators. Israel embraced the apartheid state of South Africa.
Israel embraces the rogue, war criminal, terrorist USA.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2014 05:05 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
the apartheid state of Israel.

Your anti-Semitism is vile and despicable.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2014 05:12 pm
@oralloy,
You ignoring the big picture in favor of your foot stomping nonsense, careful you don't slip in all that Uncle Sam jism, is just one more form illustrating your proclivity to lying, Oralboy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 12:16 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
You ignoring the big picture in favor of your foot stomping nonsense, careful you don't slip in all that Uncle Sam jism, is just one more form illustrating your proclivity to lying, Oralboy.

You're good at childish name-calling, but it is noteworthy how you are perpetually unable to point to any place where I am ever wrong about anything.

Thanks for bumping Advocate's thread though. It's a good thread, and it deserves the additional attention.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 01:53 pm
There is a special place in hell for the kidnappers and murderers of the three teenage Jewish kids who were kidnapped and murdered in the WB. Their bodies were just discovered in a field at a WB town. Israel's army is looking for Hamas suspects. See http://www.aol.com/article/2014/06/30/officials-israel-finds-bodies-of-kidnapped-teens/20922640/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D495584
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 01:56 pm
@oralloy,
No one has ever been able to point to a time when you have been right, Oralboy. Except when you say you have a mouthful of Uncle Sam's.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 01:59 pm
@Advocate,
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here is a special place in hell for the kidnappers and murderers of the three teenage Jewish kids who were kidnapped and murdered in the WB.


Gee, Advocate, where does that leave M Albright, Clinton, LBJ, bush, bush, Reagan, various Israeli politicians, hitler, ... ?
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:39 pm
Israel helped the USA commit the genocidal action against Nicaragua. Surprise, surprise.

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Israel, Honduras and Costa Rica





Honduras

Honduras was one of Israel's first arms customers in Central America. Between 1975 and 1977, this second poorest of all countries in the Western Hemisphere bought 20 French super-Mystere fighter planes from Israel. Delivered at a time when it was U.S. policy to discourage the acquisition of sophisticated weaponry in Central America, these were the first supersonic aircraft in the region; some were equipped with Israeli-made Shafrir heat-seeking missiles.

The Hondurans bought a range of other Israeli arms: Arava STOL aircraft, a fleet of armored vehicles mounted with recoilless rifles, and Galil rifles and Uzi submachine guns. For all its poverty, when Ariel Sharon visited Honduras, he was calling on one of Israel's three biggest clients. In the wake of Sharon's visit came more arms and training-both in Israel and Honduras for officers, pilots and troops.

In 1981, Israeli radar operators were at work at a Honduran airbase. Honduran officials never chafed at the Israeli presence-on the contrary, on one occasion, exasperated with the on-again off-again contra war, Honduran military leaders suggested that Israel, Chile, Colombia or Brazil take over the contra program for the U.S. Gen. Julio Perez, the Honduran army logistics chief, signed false end user certificates for Israeli weapons shipments to the contras.

Israel also benefited from the fits and starts with which Honduras assented to serve as a U.S. "aircraft carrier." In October 1986, in an effort to get Honduras to agree to tolerate U.S. training of contras on its soil, the U.S. revived the notion of selling the Hondurans advanced aircraft. Emblematic of Israel's in-touch status in Honduras, before Washington could prepare the papers for the F-5Es it was offering, Israel had the Tegucigalpa government's signature on a preliminary agreement to buy 24 Kfir combat aircraft-a deal that could be worth as much as $200 million. To coax their quick agreement, Israel had assured the Hondurans that Washington would finance the deal. An incredulous State Department official said no such approval had been given. At the time the Jerusalem Post said that the National Security Council would have final say on the arrangements. Later it would be revealed that the Kfir sale was one side of a quid pro quo which would have sent Israeli advisers to the contras. Still later, the Kfir sale fell through.

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Costa Rica

Someday it may be precisely known how great a role Israel played in subverting the government of Costa Rica to accede to Washington's use of its territory as a secondary base in the war against Nicaragua. More is presently known about how the U.S. bribed Costa Rican officials to turn a blind eye to the contras; how they ran a CIA and then a "private" operation the northern part of the country, which included foreign mercenaries, drug running, a clandestine airstrip, and at least two assassination attempts and managed to exercise a progressively greater influence on the small, relatively democratic nation's media, as the contra campaign wore on.

Israel, however, had the inside track. Luis Alberto Monge, elected to the Costa Rican presidency in 1982, is probably one of the strongest Zionists in Central America. Formerly Costa Rican ambassador to Israel, during his presidential campaign Monge promised to move Costa Rica's embassy to Jerusalem, while his foreign-minister-to-be said that the National Liberation Party would hold relations with Israel to be a "principal preoccupation." In May 1982, Costa Rica became the first government to return its embassy to the city which all other nations had deserted when Israel annexed and declared Jerusalem its undivided capital in 1980

Costa Rica did not have an army, but it did have one of the highest foreign debts in the world, and that gave Israel somewhat of a handle. Soon after his election, Monge met in the U.S. with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, who introduced him to a number of leading bankers thus helping him to renegotiate Costa Rica's debt to private banks.

Begin pressed Monge hard to abandon the neutrality Costa Rica had maintained since 1948, in effect seconding the words of Reagan's UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, that if Costa Rica wanted aid from Washington, it would have to create an army.

Begin offered military aid and in January 1983 the Costa Rican Public Security Minister visited Israel, touring defense plants and meeting with Defense Minister Sharon, Begin and Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir. Shamir had been in Costa Rica the previous October and offered non-military cooperation.

Limited amounts of Israeli military aid began to flow to Costa Rica's police forces, and Israelis came to train the security police, special tactical squads and intelligence agents. Israelis themselves carried out various "intelligence activities" in Costa Rica.

Israel's parastatal Tahal collaborated with with U.S. AID to develop a border barrier comprising roads, electronic barriers, and an agribusiness/ settlement scheme. It was an open secret that this installation was part of the campaign against Nicaragua.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_East/Israel_Honduras_Costa.html
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:44 pm
@JTT,
Honduras is in terms of political power Arab...they surely wheeled and dealed against the indigenous folk...don't blame the U.S.... Blame the Arabs. They do t give a ritz azz about the indigenous folk...they have been exploited by many. Take your Quran and shove it.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:46 pm
@Germlat,
That's like saying, "Don't blame the Nazis, blame Italy".

The USA committed the genocide against Nicaragua. The world court case is Nicaragua vs the USA. The USA is the country found guilty of barbaric actions against innocents.

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I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government [the usa] and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:50 pm
@JTT,
No sweetheart...I mean blame it on who makes the ultimate decision...like it or not...in Honduras, it was the Arabs.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:55 pm
@Germlat,
You are attempting to advance the preposterous notion that Arabs or Honduran government officials can tell the USA what to do.

That is completely bonkers!!
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 05:58 pm
@JTT,
The Arabs own all of the industries there...they are in cahoots with anyone who's willing to make a profit at the expense if indigenous folk
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 06:02 pm
@Germlat,
You of course have sources to back this up.

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The Arabs own all of the industries there...they are in cahoots with anyone who's willing to make a profit at the expense if indigenous folk


The USA taught them well or brought them in on the plundering because the USA perfected that plunder the poor central and south Americas long ago.
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 06:08 pm
@JTT,
Read about the 10 families who own Honduras...it wasn't someone else's influence. Greed is greed ...no matter who you are or your background mate. Greed is not taught.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 06:10 pm
@Germlat,
So you don't do sources. Hmmmm.
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 06:12 pm
@JTT,
So you have to be spoon fed hmmmmm
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2014 06:16 pm
@Germlat,
You offer stuff, germy, you back it up.
 

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