'One-State' Idea Gains Support Of Some Palestinians

Orally,

You are completely wrong. Modern research shows that modern Palestinians and modern Jews have common ancestors that go back to the Bronze age. They are the same people genetically.

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

In addition to the scientific data showing that they descend from the same Bronze age ancestry is the archaeological research . I agree with you that the Biblical account isn't a historical record, but obviously the ancient people who wrote the Bible were writing to explain the existence of the tribes living in the land that is now Israel.

But the real question is this.

Does your mythology really matter. If you accepted that Palestinians had been in the land for the same amount of time as the Jews would it change your opinion?

Well, perhaps I shouldn't be regarding the Palestinians as illegal invaders.

Subsequent books however have a much older textual lineage. The oldest text in the Bible is the part about the escaped slaves fleeing Egypt across the Red Sea.

And that is matched by archaeology. The dawn of the Iron Age was the first time Israel showed up in historical records. And Egyptian records place a local deity named YHW in about the same area where Moses was supposed to have conversed with the Burning Bush

oralloy wrote:

Subsequent books however have a much older textual lineage. The oldest text in the Bible is the part about the escaped slaves fleeing Egypt across the Red Sea.

And that is matched by archaeology. The dawn of the Iron Age was the first time Israel showed up in historical records. And Egyptian records place a local deity named YHW in about the same area where Moses was supposed to have conversed with the Burning Bush

This is a myth.

The Jewish people were never in Egypt

and the escaped slaves never fled across the Red Sea.

If this really happened there would be real clear records of these events.

You would find a record that the Egyptian army was decimated in the Red Sea. You would find a record when a large proportion of Egyptian men died.

And you would find real signs of that number of people in the Sinai for so many years.

You are letting your world view interfere with reality against all logic and facts.

You are doing the same thing when you assign all of the blame that there is no peace on the Palestinians ignoring the things Israel is doing to block peace and grab more land.

You are confusing science with religion.

There are no reputable scientists or archaeologists that claim that there is any validity to the story of Jews enslaved in Egypt.

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[11] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[25] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[26] There is archeological evidence of the Caananite Hyksos people moving into and out of northern Egypt, though the relation of their dates to the biblical account is debated by scholars.

The text about the escaped slaves crossing the Red Sea is the oldest part of the Bible.

And Egyptian records clearly show a deity named YHW in the area where Moses was said to have had his conversation with the Burning Bush.

All we know for sure is that the slaves succeeded in escaping.

It is a myth Oralloy.

If you insist on claiming that "science says" otherwise, then you should provide the links to some real scientist (not a religious person posing as a scientist to prove their religion) who says this. There are none.

Of course as a religious person you are going to believe whatever you want to believe no matter what the evidence is.

However to anyone who looks at the issue with objective logic, it is clear that the story of the Exodus is just a myth. It never really happened.

oralloy wrote:

The text about the escaped slaves crossing the Red Sea is the oldest part of the Bible.

That doesn't make it scientific nor archaeological.

oralloy wrote:

And Egyptian records clearly show a deity named YHW in the area where Moses was said to have had his conversation with the Burning Bush.

The existence of a cult of YHWH isn't in question here. The Exodus myth is in question. What does this have to do with the Exodus myth?

oralloy wrote:

All we know for sure is that the slaves succeeded in escaping.

According to the mythology, sure, but what about the science and archaeology? Where is this reference, outside of the mythology, to escaped slaves?

I'll have to try to look up the textual analysis indicating that the slaves crossing the Red Sea is the oldest part of the Bible. That one I don't have off hand.

NARRATOR: The Tel Zayit abecedary is the earliest Hebrew alphabet ever discovered. It dates to about 1000 B.C., making it possible that writing the Hebrew Bible could have already started by this time. To discover the most ancient text in the Bible, scholars examine the Hebrew spelling, grammar and vocabulary.

KYLE MCCARTER: The Hebrew Bible is a collection of literature written over about a thousand years, and, as with any other language, Hebrew, naturally, changed quite a bit over those thousand years. The same would be true of English. I'm speaking English of the 21st century, and if I were living in Elizabethan times, the words I choose, the syntax I use would be quite different.

NARRATOR: Scholars examine the Bible in its original Hebrew in search of the most archaic language, and therefore the oldest passages. They find it in Exodus, the second book of the Bible.

VOICEOVER (Reading from the Bible, "Revised Standard Version," Exodus 15:4) Pharaoh's chariots and his army He cast into the sea. His picked officers are drowned in the Red Sea.

NARRATOR: This passage, known as the "Song of the Sea," is the climactic scene of Exodus, the story of the Israelites enslavement in Egypt and how Moses leads them to freedom. In all of the Bible, no single event is mentioned more times than the Exodus.

With the development of ancient Hebrew script, the "Song of the Sea" could have been written by 1000 B.C., the time of Tappy's alphabet. But it was probably recited as a poem long before the beginning of Hebrew writing.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html

I'd dismiss the entirety of Genesis as fiction. The entire book traces its textual lineage to the time of the Babylonian Exile.

I take it then that you don't believe in creationism?

Without the fall of man, what need would we have for Jesus dying on the cross and rising again to redeem man's sin?

The promise made to Abraham that with his seed all nations would be blessed?

Without Genesis, Christianity makes no sense.

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[11] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[25] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.

And how do either of these support the story of Exodus?

Egypt in the iron age was a pretty impressive Empire. The implication in your first link was that Egypt had conquered the territory that is now Israel. This doesn't fit into the Biblical story very well, does it.

From the same source....

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A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[11] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[25] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus