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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Wed 2 Jul, 2014 02:54 pm
I see where Israeli settlers, angry that Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Jewish teens, kidnapped and murdered a Pal teen.

While I have mixed feeling about this retaliation, I can certainly understand the settlers' anger and wish for revenge. Also, I am sure that they feel that the only thing that will stop the Pal terrorism is reciprocity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 2 Jul, 2014 03:00 pm
@Advocate,
Your one-sided viewpoint is worth shyt in a world where you believe Palestinians aren't human.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 2 Jul, 2014 03:09 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

I see where Israeli settlers, angry that Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Jewish teens, kidnapped and murdered a Pal teen.

While I have mixed feeling about this retaliation, I can certainly understand the settlers' anger and wish for revenge. Also, I am sure that they feel that the only thing that will stop the Pal terrorism is reciprocity.

There's a Facebook site, with responses, consisting of racist comments and demands for revenge, urge people to take violent action against Arabs and to kill all Palestines.
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpseb1d5231.jpg
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By Wednesday evening, over 45,000 people had joined a Facebook group named “The people of Israel demand revenge,” which was set up after the bodies of teens were found Monday. Many of the group’s members are teenagers, and also include soldiers, who posted photographs of signs with messages demanding revenge and calling to exact a price for the teens’ murders, alongside the insignia and berets of Israeli army units.
[...]
“Many here ask what revenge is,” the group managers say in a post explaining the group’s agenda. “Killing innocents? No. We’re as rightist in our views as can be, but this group’s purpose is to avenge the kidnapped teens’ blood. To catch the terrorists that abducted and killed them and to exact revenge.”
... ... ...
Source: Haaretz.com
Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2014 06:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Maybe the settlers learned their attitude on the murderous Pals from the Nazis. The Nazis were infamous for killing the populations of entire villages when the resistance killed a single German soldier.
JTT
 
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Wed 2 Jul, 2014 07:07 pm
@Advocate,
Are you offering this as a defense or an excuse, A?

Who would then be considered murderous?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 2 Jul, 2014 10:51 pm
@Advocate,
Could be so. We just now remember to those sad tragics again.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 04:59 am
At first ynet, now other Israeli media report that the IDF begins to shift forces south, preparing for a new Gaza operation.
Advocate
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

At first ynet, now other Israeli media report that the IDF begins to shift forces south, preparing for a new Gaza operation.


Since Hamas is again firing rockets, missiles, and shells into Israel, Israel has to hit Gaza very hard. Israel must be very tough, or Hamas will continue with their attacks on Israel's civilian population.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
A cowardly reckless government is allowing itself to be dragged along by extremists.


Well, that's not about the Palestine government but about Israel. And not by an anti-Semitic (though this will be said to those two here).

Quote:
A few hours after the bodies of the murdered teens were found, a stormy meeting of the diplomatic-security cabinet ended with no operative decisions. Decisions were deferred for 24 hours, when another meeting would be held.

In a normal country, this would be a welcome decision: There’s no logic in making strategic decisions when people’s blood is boiling and the victims haven’t even been buried yet – especially when idiotic suggestions abounded at the meeting, ranging from all-out war on the Palestinians, to building a new settlement.

The problem is that Israel has become an abnormal country led by a cowardly, reckless government. Therefore, the one-day delay could actually make things worse. Who knows what new ideas will enter the ministers’ fevered brains? Not only will they come to the meeting inflamed by the funerals, but they will have had 24 hours to be intimidated by the settler right’s calls for vengeance and war.

In this context, it’s important to remember that Habayit Hayehudi and its chairman, Naftali Bennett, were never officially put in charge of mourning for the murdered teens. They are no more saddened by the murder than anyone else and have no extra rights in deciding what steps should be taken in response. The fact that the teens were studying at yeshivas in the Gush Etzion settlements doesn’t make their deaths a card in the settler right’s hand. We’ve heard similar cries of “destroy Hamas” after every terror attack of the last 20 years.

The only thing that has changed this time around is that the settler right has become a legitimate part of the government. Until a year ago, they were just cheering from the sidelines. But at the initiative of two center-left leaders, Tzipi Livni and Yair Lapid, Israel has now entrusted its fate to a messianic movement seeking to ensure the state’s destruction. When they were outside the government, the settlers used to exploit such murders to establish illegal settlement outposts named after the victims. Now, the defense minister is proposing establishing a new settlement named after the three boys – as if Israel had a strategic interest in building new settlements.

The army brass remains unenthusiastic about cooperating with the delusions of Bennett and his colleagues; the four-headed government is torn; and the prime minister lacks both courage and leadership. So meanwhile, as a compromise, the air force has attacked 34 empty buildings in Gaza.

At most, this serves to intimidate the civilian population (terror) – part of the culture of lies we’ve all grown used to. That same culture in which shots were heard on the tape of one teen’s call to a police hotline and bullet holes found in the torched car, yet despite these clear indications that the boys were almost certainly killed shortly after being abducted, all those in the know collaborated in falsely raising the public’s hopes, with encouragement from the media. Apparently, this served everyone’s needs, including the government, still embarrassed by the Palestinian unity government; the settler right, which raced back into the consensus by exploiting the silent majority’s blindness; and those who kowtow to the settler right, first and foremost media outlets addicted to populism.

This evil spirit is spreading to the streets, where innocent Arab passersby were attacked Monday night, and also to the army. In a highly unusual move, soldiers burst into the suspected kidnappers’ homes Monday night by making free use of explosives (though the kidnappers, let’s recall, went into hiding after the abduction and haven’t returned home). Effectively, Palestinians say, both houses were demolished.

Such an action makes a mockery of the state’s sovereignty, which is being dragged along by the extremists – whether voluntarily or involuntarily doesn’t matter. At that very moment, the Supreme Court was holding learned deliberations over the state’s request to demolish the house of another murderer, the one who killed police officer Baruch Mizrahi in April.

Palestinians say the explosions wounded an 18-month-old baby. Just a day earlier, our prime minister quoted a line from Haim Nahman Bialik’s poem “City of Slaughter” – “Such vengeance for the blood of a child has yet to be wrought by Satan.” But he was evidently referring to Jewish children. If there’s anything Satan hasn’t wrought, it’s the cycle of bloodshed and revenge that the sane people on both sides are powerless to break.
Source

What I really can't understand: Israel was founded due to the Holocaust ... Never Forget the tragedies of the Holocaust.
And now not only the settlers act like the Nazis but even Americans like Advocate can understand that ...
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JTT
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:37 am
@Advocate,
Since Hamas is again firing rockets, missiles, and shells into Israel, Israel has to hit Gaza's CIVILIANS very hard. Israel must be very tough, or Hamas will continue with their attacks on Israel's civilian population.

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And so it will go on and on and on and on.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:47 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Since Hamas is again firing rockets, missiles, and shells into Israel, Israel has to hit Gaza very hard. Israel must be very tough, or Hamas will continue with their attacks on Israel's civilian population.
In Israel, it is mainly (besides those groups mentioned earlier above) as a reaction to the murder of the three. But it's It is useless,IMO, to discuss if the egg or the hen ...
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Isralies fail to understand that continuing their land grab from the Palestinians is the cause of the violence against them. They continue stealing land; more violence. Who wouldn't defend their property with violence when they have no legal rights? Any one?
JTT
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
USians have the same problem as Israelis. Both groups cling tenaciously to the lies and propaganda.
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Advocate
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 12:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But how do you explain that, before the '67 war, Israel basically never set foot in the WB and Gaza, and was still under continual attack by the Pals? Thus, even if all the settlements were eliminated, there would still be hundreds of attacks on Israel and the Israelis by the Pals.
JTT
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 12:55 pm
@Advocate,
This is willful stupidity on your part, Advocate, that blind adherence to propagandist memes that you don't follow when it comes to the USA.

What gives with this incredible hypocrisy?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 01:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Four identified soldiers, who posted on that site - "Bibi, let us annihilate terrorists." "The battalion demands revenge." - were sentenced to 10 days disciplinary prison.
The IDF said that, "These soldiers were sentenced to several days in prison in light of their actions in violation of military orders. This is a serious incident that is not in line with what is expected of IDF soldiers. Each case that is brought to the commanders' attention will be treated very seriously, as was the cases in question."

Their lawyers will appeal: "The claims that the fighters have raised do not constitute an offense in anyway. These are good fighters and model soldiers."
"Israel sends its soldiers to the front, but does not understand their situation. The conduct seems to be that of someone who wants to look good for hostile foreign officials, some of whom are anti-Semitic and Israel-haters."

(Sources: ynet, Jerusalem Post, Haaretz)
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 01:54 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

But how do you explain that, before the '67 war, Israel basically never set foot in the WB and Gaza, and was still under continual attack by the Pals? Thus, even if all the settlements were eliminated, there would still be hundreds of attacks on Israel and the Israelis by the Pals.


How do you explain that before the creation of the state of Israel...the Jews and Arabs there got along relatively peaceful for for thousands of years?

How do you explain the fact that although they were able to do so for such a long time...they cannot do so now?

What is the factor that makes a difference?




RABEL222
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
anti-Semitic and Israel-haters."


URL: http://able2know.org/topic/127639-194

The excuse that the Isralie settlers use to kill anyone they want too and steal whatever they want. Do the police in Israel know weather it was Hamas who did the deed or some soilders who mistook the kids for Pals? Remember Bush and WOMD's.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:17 pm
@RABEL222,
The Israelis use any excuse to kill more Palestinians. The numbers between innocent Palestians killed vs innocent Israelis killed are staggering, and speak for themselves. That's if anybody bothers to count.
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JTT
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 03:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What is the factor that makes a difference?



the creation of the state of Israel
 

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