Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Advocate. Lets speak truthfully about those thousands of rockets. Most of them are hobby store rockets. How many Israelis have died from those thousands? One. One. I know of one Israeli rocket that killed 14 sleeping women and children fired from a Drone. Yes, there is murder on both sides, but the Palestinians get the awful worse of it. Period.

The creation of Israel has nothing to do with Western guilt from the Holocaust, it has to do with Western anti-Semitism. They didn't want Jews repatriated behind the Iron Curtain, but they also did not want them in the US, Great Britain or France. So they put the problem on the backs of another Semitic group, Palestinians.

Good luck with that. Many people have tried to reason with Advocate, he simply refuses to accept any source other than that of the rightwing settler movement. Every source, and I mean every source was anti Semitic, so a lot of us only used Israeli sources, B'Tselem, and Haaretz, but even they're not good enough.

It's far easier for Advocate to stick his head in the sand and dismiss even the mildest criticism of Israel as being anti-Semitic than recognise the true horror of the occupation.

I agree, Bobsal.

I was only pointing out that Frank had included the answer in his question.

I guess you are too lazy to do five minutes of research? By Nov. 2012, the rockets have killed 64 and injured thousands. The worse thing is that they have terrorized the hundreds of thousands living in the target areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Your myopia is astounding! All Palestinians live in fear 24/7. They don't know when their homes will be taken away (stolen), or when one of those drones will kill them and their families.

For every Israeli killed, multiply that by 10 for Palestinians. Injured? Your observations are ridiculous to the extreme.

Please prove that Israel is killing Pals on a 10 to one basis using drones or rockets. This is just more of your BS. Also, Israel is not taking Pal homes to any extent. Israel's settlements go on unoccupied and untitled land.

These numbers are from the jewishvirtuallibrary.org.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/casualtiestotal.html

That's a lie.

Good post. The ratio is therefore something like 25 Palestinian deaths for 1 Israeli death, much more that 10 to 1.

I doubt very much Advocate will even admit such huge discrepancies. To him, the jewishvirtuallibrary.org are all anti-Semites amd Jew haters.

What a lying POS you are. First, the total you give are all the Arabs killed by Israel, NOT all the Pals. E. g., Israel killed a lot of Egyptians in the '67 and '71 wars. Second, Israel didn't kill those people with missiles and drones as you indicate.

I didn't indicate no such thing about missiles and drones when I posted from the jewishvirtuallibrary link. Those numbers speak for themselves.

If you want to actually look at the numbers of Palestinians killed, just look at any log by year. Israelis also killed many women and children. You're blind to your own people's crimes.

From globalresearch.ca.


Why are you so ignorant, Advocate? Can't you see the atrocities against other peoples?

Advocate is that, CI, but why chastise him when there are many here at a2k that do the same thing vis a vis the USA.

Even for you, why do you focus so much on Israel when the USA is much much much worse as regards length of time and numbers of innocents slaughtered?

You are a lying ignoramus. The 90,000 figure you keep referring to is not limited to Pals, as you constantly contend. It includes all Arabs killed by Israel.

By the way, an enormous number of Pals are killed by their fellow Pals.


Palestinian violence against other Palestinians


Suspected Palestinian collaborator killed by Palestinians during the First Intifada
Fighting among rival Palestinian and Arab movements has played a crucial role in shaping Israel's security policy towards Palestinian militants, as well as in the Palestinian leadership's own policies.[citation needed] As early as the 1930s revolts in Palestine, Arab forces fought each other while also skirmishing with Zionist and British forces, and internal conflicts continue to the present day. During the Lebanese Civil War, Palestinian baathists broke from the Palestine Liberation Organization and allied with the Shia Amal Movement, fighting a bloody civil war that killed thousands of Palestinians.[140][141]

In the First Intifada, more than a thousand Palestinians were killed in a campaign initiated by the Palestine Liberation Organization to crack down on suspected Israeli security service informers and collaborators. The Palestinian Authority was strongly criticized for its treatment of alleged collaborators, rights groups complaining that those labeled collaborators were denied fair trials. According to a report released by the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, less than 45 percent of those killed were actually guilty of informing for Israel.[142]

The policies towards suspected collaborators contravene agreements signed by the Palestinian leadership. Article XVI(2) of the Oslo II Agreement states:[143]

"Palestinians who have maintained contact with the Israeli authorities will not be subjected to acts of harassment, violence, retribution, or prosecution."

The provision was designed to prevent Palestinian leaders from imposing retribution on fellow Palestinians who had worked on behalf of Israel during the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[144]

In the Gaza Strip, Hamas officials have killed and tortured thousands of Fatah members and other Palestinians who oppose their rule. During the Battle of Gaza, more than 150 Palestinians died over a four-day period.[145] The violence among Palestinians was described as a civil war by some commentators. By 2007, more than 600 Palestinian people had died during the struggle between Hamas and Fatah.[146]

-- Wikipedia

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/world/middleeast/autopsy-suggests-palestinian-boy-was-burned-alive-reports-say.html?_r=0&referrer=


Autopsy Suggests Palestinian Teenager Was Burned to Death After Abduction


By JODI RUDOREN
JULY 5, 2014
JERUSALEM — Muhammad Abu Khdeir, 16, spent his last hours before being abducted, beaten and most likely burned to death in one of his favorite places, doing some of his favorite things.

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Pals killing Pals is not the issue; Americans also kill Americans, Indians kill Indians, Irish kill Irish.....

You're one Ignoramus Jew!

Israel police has arrested Jewish extremists in the abduction, burning and killing of a Palestinian teen. (And they've arrested and beaten his American cousin - whose always called "Palestinian" but who is an US-American citizen)

Um, the American kid is an ethnic Palestinian.

You're advocating then that the Israelis should have killed him instead of just beating him.