Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Ilan Ziv: the exile is a myth, and so is Zionism

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"Jews have no historical right [to the land of Israel]. But I would argue that Palestinians also don’t have a historical right. They have civil rights, they have human rights, but have no historical right.”

I wonder what Ziv means by "historical right," exactly, seeing as how he negates this "historical right" for Jewish religious/ethnic claims, and how he relates that to Palestinian indigenousness as established by genetic research.

You are being funny again. That old Fabian sense of humor?

Many attempts have been made to broker a two-state solution, involving the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside an independent Jewish state or next to the State of Israel (after Israel's establishment in 1948). In 2007 a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, according to a number of polls, preferred the two-state solution over any other solution as a means of resolving the conflict.[5] Moreover, a considerable majority of the Jewish public sees the Palestinians' demand for an independent state as just, and thinks Israel can agree to the establishment of such a state.[6] A majority of Palestinians and Israelis view the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an acceptable location of the hypothetical Palestinian state in a two-state solution.[7][unreliable source?] However, there are significant areas of disagreement over the shape of any final agreement and also regarding the level of credibility each side sees in the other in upholding basic commitments.[8]

I never saw any of this racism in Advocate until his posted response stating how "a white woman married to a black is 12 times more likely to be murdered by her spouse." Such sweeping ignorance stunned me, but then again I make it a practice to run from people similar to those like Advocate and his breed.

Advocate came across as unduly passionate when it came to his defense of Israel and I actually saw in him someone I liked, understanding his passion in defense of the country to whom he owes his allegiance.

Thanks for exposing this poster for who and what he is, Izzy, I am grateful.

Meir Kahane, was an American- Israeli rabbi and founder of the far-right extremist Kach movement; he was shot dead in New York City on November 1990......he referred to Palestinians as "dogs." Kahane left quite a following of racist adherents. One wonders if Advocate is a part of this movement. As you say when "Oralloy called Palestinians "vermin" he seemed perfectly content to not voice any objection. Now I will throw Advocate into the same dustbin as Oralloy.

InfraBlue wrote:

I wonder what Ziv means by "historical right," exactly, seeing as how he negates this "historical right" for Jewish religious/ethnic claims, and how he relates that to Palestinian indigenousness as established by genetic research.

The genetic research only qualifies Palestineans as being part of the historical region. That can be quite larger than the state of Israel.

The problem, in my opinion, is that Europeans tend to claim their right to a country based on the last millenia for gene pools in a region. However, Jews, due to their moving here and there, based on anti-Semitism, have become mutts. They arrived in the U.S., for example as mutts. Americans in the heartland are today mutts too, but their ancestors came to America sporting some ancient pedigree. So, Europe plays by one set of rules - ownership by pedigree. The U.S. accepts that ownership may not be by pedigree.

Perhaps, you see the world like a European?

The only response they can offer is a thumb's down.