Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

You have never, to my recollection, explained why you are so bothered by military actions that the United States has effected?

Is that the same humanity that does not give a damn if you or I live or die? Do you realize that every U.S. citizen does not subscribe to your universal concerns about humanity? NOR, NEED WE SUBSCRIBE TO A UNIVERSAL CONCERN FOR HUMANITY. DO NOT DISENFRANCHISE ME FROM MY RIGHT TO PURSUE HAPPINESS. I AM HAPPY BY ONLY BEING CONCERNED ABOUT AMERICANS. And, no amount of your explaining the supposed evils of military actions by the U.S. will change my position.

...Are you as equally concerned for those Americans who are concerned about humanity or would you rather see the traitors gassed, or have dioxins sprinkled on them or would you have them napalmed?

Since we have religions, in the United States, that proselytize a universal humanitarianism, far be it for me to counter those noble intentions with the reality of human nature.

I have no animosity towards caring folks for the world's masses; I just consider them foolish idealists.

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Since we have religions, in the United States, that proselytize a universal humanitarianism, far be it for me to counter those noble intentions with the reality of human nature.

I have no animosity towards caring folks for the world's masses; I just consider them foolish idealists.

It's not foolish idealism to request that the US and other nations stop abusing the poor of this world, stop stealing their only sources of wealth simply to further stuff the pockets of those whose pockets are brimming full.

It's what your founding fathers, folks you seem to have an affection for, spoke of. Why do you try to shelter those who debase these ideals?

I do believe that foolish idealism would believe that a wealthy country would be willing to shed some of its wealth, or not accumulate it in the future, for the benefit of those that are just not capable of winning in the competition called nationhood.

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I do believe that foolish idealism would believe that a wealthy country would be willing to shed some of its wealth, or not accumulate it in the future, for the benefit of those that are just not capable of winning in the competition called nationhood.

You're doing it again. Even though you know that the US has stolen immense sums from other nations, you try to make it appear like it's simply free enterprise. The US has committed war crime after war crime, in country after country, for the sole purpose of stealing the wealth of those nations.

You [that's the Foofie} 'you'] are providing support and encouragement for an evil that is the equal, in kind and in brutality, if not in number, [although that's getting mighty close], of the one you love to use as an example, the Holocaust.

JTT is right about this.

Wrong conclusion. As a second generation American (born in the United States), I know this country gave my family a very safe haven, compared to Czarist Russia, with its plentiful anti-Semitic peasants. So, not being an ingrate, I do not criticize the political/military ways of this country that was effected by many of the descendants from those that came here at least 100 years, or more, before my family.

My perception is that you are bullying one little NY Jew, rather than pick on some old-line WASP that might just be more in touch with why this country has politically/militarily effected what it has effected. My family was not even here when Manifest Destiny seemed like a good idea to many. Why not find a descendant of that era, and explain your position to someone of that background?

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That's quite perceptive of you, Foofie. I do this because I hate Jews. Could you direct me to some other Jews here that I can attack?

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Do not tell me what I am doing. I am not criticizing the U.S. policies. You choose to criticize; that is your choice. Not criticizing is not "providing support and encouragement" to anything. But, I would think you do not accept that.

By ignoring these war crimes that are the equivalent of all that was ever done in Russia or Europe, after all, a war crime is a war crime, you do provide support.

By the way, I am quite much older than you, and I am feeling foolish arguing with one likely much my junior, since I believe you were not even alive to understand the Vietnam era. So, my future responses to you will be nil.

You have no basis and have provided no basis for your claim that the Serbs were victims of atrocities as often as they were the perpetrators of atrocities. Even if that were true (and i don't concede it),

you ignore that they committed atrocities in lands which were not their ancient and traditional homelands,

a point you attempt to hammer about the Jews--even though you can't make the case that the Jews have any right to make a claim that Palestine is their exclusive homeland.

I make comments about the south of the Lebanon and the Golan Heights, and you tell me that it is not stealing to repossess one's land. When i point out that the south of Lebanon and the Golan Heights were never a part of Jewish lands prior to 1978 and 1967 respectively, then you fall back on your "I was only talking about the West Bank" sing-song. Your rhetoric is a mess, and you ought to embarrassed by how often you contradict yourself or make absurd statements.

In your post #4373912, replying to me . . .

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Setanta wrote:

Therefore, all references to the south of the Lebanon, the Golan Heights and the other territories are pertinent, without regard to what land you think the Israeli government should be welcomed to shamelessly steal.

Repossession of stolen property is not theft.

Make up your mind about what you claim is stolen property.

The West Bank has been the ancient homeland of many people. Your decision to claim that the Jews and no others have a right to claim it is arbitrrary and quixotic. Too bad if you don't like having that pointed out to you.

So you've got one government which you claim negotiated in good faith, and are willing to ignore all the other Israeli governments which have not negotiated in good faith. How convenient to your silly rant.

It is hardly murder for Palestinians to defend themselves against Jewish aggression.

You claim that the illegal settlements are hardly an excuse for derailing negotiations. For 30 years and more, the various Israeli governments have promised to end settlements on Palestinian land, and they've been lying.

What excuse is there for Israel to "annex" land west of the wall?

What excuse was there for the wall in the first place--other than protecting the ground on which the government intended to allow fanatical, right-wing Jews to settle?

My claims have merit because by your version, no one lived in Palestine from the time that the Jews were driven out by Tituts--70 CE--until Arabian Muslims showed up in the 7th century--a ludicrous contention. I know that you didn't actaully say that, but that is the inferential statement if you intend to claim that all non-Jewish Palestinians are descended from the perpetrators of that invasion.

It is not a false claim because Palestine was and always has been occupied for as far back as the historical record goes, and that includes the Jewish scriptures which recognize that it was inhabited when they first invaded.

When you claim that the Palestinians are descended from the invasion by Arab "holy warriors" in the 7th century, you are making things up.

You continue to ignore that the Bedu have been in Palestine (principally in the Negev today, in the distant past they migrated all over the middle eastern desert--indeed, Bedu means a wanderer in the desert) for as long as, if not longer than the Jews.

You ignore that the Aramaeans and Hellenized inhabitants of all descriptions have inhabited Palestine for thousands of years.

Pointing out that Jews once had an alleged kingdom (i don't see how a bandit holdout rises to the level of a kingdom, but i'll grant the point for discussion) in what we now call the West Bank,

What would go a long way in nullifying the danger presented by the extremist regimes in the Middle East is for Israel to stop repressing the Palestinians, make indemnifications thereof, and give them their due.

Let's take away all the armaments supplied by the US and give them to the Palestinians. How do you think the battles will be fought then?

Advocate, You "people" love to call those who disagree with the land take-over from the Pals by the Jews as anti-Semite.

Yes, we've seen what the Jews did in Gaza, killing children,

and their attack on the ship that was bringing supplies to the people in Gaza.

The Pals are justifiably tired of the Jews taking their lands with no legal recourse, and that frustration turns into violence.

I understand that completely!

Another one of them there peace lovin' 'Mericans.

Are you looking to get the USA in the Guinness Book of World Records for number of war crimes committed?

I think you can stop now. The USA is the undisputed leader.

VIDEO: Israel begins construction on West Bank
Source: ABC News (Australia)
Published: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:33 AEDT
Expires: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:33 AEDT

Jewish settlers have returned to building at least 600 homes since the end of a construction freeze, according to watchdog 'Peace Now'.