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THE WAR IN GAZA

 
 
Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 05:08 pm
@Steve 41oo,
Steve 41oo wrote:

Foofie wrote:
The lack of an apostrophe for "didnt" was just quick typing, I thought. However, the lack of an apostrophe for "its" sometimes reflects not knowing which version of the word requires an apostrophe (as a contraction, or denoting possession).
Woof, you are quite a pedant for a doggy. The apostrophe is dead. Its a fact.


Spanish has no contractions. It makes sense to just use two words, rather than slurring one's thoughts into a new contractioned word. Is that not so?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 05:10 pm
@Foofie,
Del!
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 29 Jan, 2009 05:22 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
It makes sense to just use two words, rather than slurring one's thoughts into a new contractioned word. Is that not so?


One's thoughts are not, could not be slurred by voicing a contraction. In fact, speech is not slurred when we use contractions.

Spanish also doesn't use subject pronouns in some situations.
spendius
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:35 pm
Have we forgotten the people in Palestine?
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Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Del!


I meant the English way with an apostrophe. Yes, del is the combination of de and el.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:51 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
It makes sense to just use two words, rather than slurring one's thoughts into a new contractioned word. Is that not so?


One's thoughts are not, could not be slurred by voicing a contraction. In fact, speech is not slurred when we use contractions.

Spanish also doesn't use subject pronouns in some situations.


My thoughts have less emphasis in my brain if I use contractions in my self-talk. My thoughts are more emphatic if I think to myself without contractions. I have stopped using contractions in writing or thinking. Do you not understand me?

Y en espanol, no se necesita "yo" cuando el verbo es conjugado correctamente. Pero, en verbos reflexivos se usa "me." Por ejemplo, me llamo, Foofie.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:57 pm
For whatever reason...Hollywood has taken to having criminals...especially criminals who are "connected"...

...not use contractions.

Listen to some of the dialogue in gangster movies.

Always full words.

It is a convention I do not understand.
spendius
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:59 pm
We have forgotten the people of Palestine. Ego rubbishes them.
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spendius
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 07:00 pm
So much for war being of any account.
Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 07:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

For whatever reason...Hollywood has taken to having criminals...especially criminals who are "connected"...

...not use contractions.

Listen to some of the dialogue in gangster movies.

Always full words.

It is a convention I do not understand.


I do not understand it either. But then again, what do I know?
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Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Jan, 2009 07:23 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

So much for war being of any account.


Finally, a light of genius. You understand me! Let us all dance in our western countries, while the rest of the world falls off the edge, due to their ungenteel ways! [Well said, Watson]
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Advocate
 
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Sat 31 Jan, 2009 11:20 am
Here is a simple statement showing the media bias against Israel.

Coverage condones atrocities by Hamas
January 31, 2009
As a Jewish-American, I take offense at the caption The Baltimore Sun ran under an Associated Press photo on Tuesday ("24 Hours in Pictures," Jan. 27).

The caption "Shattered lives ... Nearly 1,300 Palestinians died in the recent Israeli incursion" was a terrible slanting of the facts.

When the United States launched attacks in its own defense after the 9/11 attacks, were they called an "American incursion"?

No. America was defending itself, just as Israel did after Hamas made a conscious decision to violate the cease-fire and attack Israel.

Hamas' tactic of placing innocent women and children near its military operations to inflate tragically the number of casualties somehow gains sympathy, yet when rockets land in an Israeli caf� or bombs are detonated in shopping areas and innocent civilians are killed, that is often treated as just one of the dangers of war.

It's about time that Hamas stopped being granted a "get out of jail free" card for the atrocities it is committing.

Michael Schwartzberg Pikesville

--baltimoresun.com
Endymion
 
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Sun 1 Feb, 2009 09:26 am


I've been trying to write something about Gaza
But in the end, the facts speak for themselves

http://able2know.org/topic/127812-9#post-3557738
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Advocate
 
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Sun 1 Feb, 2009 10:02 am
Israel must retaliate for the continued Hamas rocketing. Who can argue otherwise.


Israel vows 'disproportionate' strike on Hamas

JERUSALEM (AFP) " Israel vowed to strike back at Hamas on Sunday in the wake of renewed rocket fire from the Islamists' Gaza stronghold two weeks after the end of a bloody war in the battered Palestinian territory.

"We've said that if there is rocket fire against the south of the country, there will be a severe and disproportionate Israeli response to the fire on the citizens of Israel and its security forces," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said at the weekly cabinet meeting.

Israel -- which goes to the polls on February 10 -- has been hit by several rockets since a January 18 ceasefire brought an end to the 22-day war on the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

"We will not agree to return to the old rules of the game and we will act according to new rules that will guarantee that we are not dragged into an incessant tit-for-tat war that will not allow normal life in the south of the country," Olmert said.

"The situation... in recent days has increased in a manner that does not allow Israel not to retaliate in order to make sure that our position... is understood by those involved in the fire.

"The response will come at the time, the place and the manner that we choose."

Defence Minister Ehud Barak said that "Hamas was given a very serious blow and if necessary it will be given another blow."

And Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, infrastructure minister and a member of Israel's powerful security cabinet, said the Islamists had to pay for each rocket fired.

"We can under no circumstances behave under rules that Hamas wants to impose on us," he told army radio. "We have set a price for each rocket fired and now Hamas has to pay."

The officials spoke after four rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel from Gaza within a space of a few hours on Sunday. No group had yet claimed responsibility.

In all, at least seven rockets had been fired into the Jewish state since mutual ceasefires by Israel and Hamas on January 18 brought an end to Israel's massive three-week onslaught on the territory that left more than 1,300 Palestinians dead. Thirteen Israelis were killed in the same period.

Tensions around Gaza began to escalate 10 days after the ceasefires, when an Israeli soldier died as a result of a roadside bomb near the Gaza border.

Egypt has been leading international efforts to consolidate the ceasefires into a lasting truce and Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas was to head to Cairo for talks on Sunday.

Officials from Hamas, the Islamist movement which ousted pro-Abbas forces from Gaza in June 2007, are also due in the Egyptian capital.

A senior Palestinian official close to Abbas said that the talks in Cairo have failed to produce progress up till now and that little headway is expected until Hamas patches up differences between its representatives in Gaza and its exiled leadership in Damascus.

"The are problems between the leaders here in Gaza and those in Damascus," the official said on condition of anonymity.

"There can't be progress on the truce and reconciliation talks until this issue is resolved, because until then, the Gaza leaders say one thing and the ones in Damascus say something completely different," he said.

Abbas's secular Fatah party and its rival Hamas have been at odds since the Islamists violently seized power in Gaza in June 2007, kicking out pro-Abbas forces after days of ferocious street battles.

The schism has been accentuated by the Gaza war, with Hamas exiled political supremo Khaled Meshaal calling in its wake for a new leadership to replace Abbas's Palestine Liberation Organisation, long internationally recognised as the sole representative of the Palestinian people.

Meshaal was in Tehran on Sunday for his first post-Gaza war visit to the Islamic republic, a staunch supporter of his movement and of Lebanon's Hezbollah militia, the state new agency IRNA reported.

--AFP
FreeDuck
 
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Mon 2 Feb, 2009 05:19 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

When the United States launched attacks in its own defense after the 9/11 attacks, were they called an "American incursion"?

Yes. It was called the US invasion of Afghanistan. And that's what it was. If anything, calling Israel's invasion of Gaza an "incursion" softens it unnecessarily.
JTT
 
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Mon 2 Feb, 2009 06:16 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
... there will be a severe and disproportionate Israeli response ...


That's always been one of the major problems.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 2 Feb, 2009 06:38 pm
@JTT,
Yeah, JTT...it surprised me too! Wink
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Foofie
 
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Mon 2 Feb, 2009 07:10 pm
There is another scenario with Israel retaliating for any more rockets. Go in, but go in with female troops. Whip their you know what, and then let us see if any of the macho males can face the world. Just my opinion.
Advocate
 
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Mon 2 Feb, 2009 11:08 pm
@Foofie,
It seems that the Israeli retaliation has been insufficiently severe, as evidenced by Hamas continuing its rocket and motar attacks on, mostly, civilian targets. Boo hoo hoo, it is terrible how Israel defends itself.
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Advocate
 
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Tue 3 Feb, 2009 09:22 am
Carter Still Shills for Hamas





February 2, 2009 by Dexter Van Zile

Jimmy Carter (Still) Shills for Hamas

Former President Jimmy Carter’s promotional tour in support of his book We Can Have Peace in the Middle East: A Plan that Will Work (Simon & Schuster, 2009) continued with an appearance on the Jan. 27, 2009 broadcast of the “Charlie Rose Show.” During his appearance, Carter cemented his position as a freelance spokesman for Hamas in the United States, echoing the group’s dishonest justifications for the group’s rocket attacks on Israel. Sadly, Charlie Rose, who typically does a better job challenging his guests than Larry King, failed to confront Carter on his misstatements, which include the assertion that Israelis are considering “for the first time” the creation of a Palestinian state and that Gazans are starving to death as a result of Israel’s border restrictions. Carter also repeats the false assertion that “only one” Israeli was killed by Hamas in the 12 months before the cease fire that began in June 2008.



Palestinian State



Carter offered a misstatement of fact as soon as he and Rose started talking about his book, asserting that the situation has gotten to a crisis stage where

Israel … maybe for the first time in generic terms or broad terms has to decide ‘do I want one nation or two nations?' And that is a seminal question. If you can’t create a two-state solution, then you wind up with a one-state solution, and that is the way Israel is going now. And a lot of very top leaders in Israel, including Barak and including Olmert and including Ms. Livni all realize that this is a trend that must be reversed.


As Carter reports in his book, Israelis have supported some form of Palestinian autonomy since at least the 1970s. Carter’s own book " the book he was on Charlie Rose’s show to publicize " demonstrates the notion of a Palestinian homeland has been on the mind of the Israeli people for quite some time. On page 19 Carter writes of his 1973 trip to Israel:

It had seemed to me during my visit to the region [in 1973] that there was a consensus within Israel that the basic principles of United Nations resolutions would be honored, including the withdrawal of Israel from the occupied territories. It was obvious this would leave the Palestinians with some kind of homeland, but it had not been defined.


And on page 30, Carter writes that he prepared for his first meeting with Prime Minister Menachem Begin in 1977 by studying public opinion polls in Israel. Here is what he reports:

Sixty-three percent of the Israelis wanted peace with the Arabs, 52 percent thought that that the Palestinians deserved a homeland, and 43 percent said the homeland ought to be on the West Bank of the Jordan River, while others preferred the East Bank (Jordan). By a 45-45 split, the people of Israel thought they should negotiate directly with the PLO if the PLO would recognize Israel’s right to exist.


Carter gives very short shrift to the Camp David/Taba negotiations of 2000 and 2001 in his book, but the whole point of Ehud Barak’s offer at Camp David in 2000 and his acceptance of the Clinton Parameters in early 2001 was to exchange land for peace and allow for the creation of a Palestinian state. It was Yasir Arafat, not Israel, who said no to Barak’s Camp David offer " without making a counteroffer " and to the Clinton Parameters " which also would have created a Palestinian state.



Despite the fact that Israelis were discussing the issue of Palestinian autonomy when he was president, and that Israeli officials made and accepted offers that would have resulted in the creation of a Palestinian state at Camp David and Taba at the beginning of this decade, former President Carter talks as if Israel is addressing the issue of a two-state solution for the first time.



“Starving to Death”



Carter also relayed Hamas’ dishonest complaints about Israel, which sadly, Charlie Rose failed to challenge on a factual basis. Carter reported that during his recent meetings with Hamas leaders in Cairo that they told him

… the only reason they were lobbing the rockets was to bring international attention to the fact that they were starving to death, that the Israelis were not permitting food and water and fuel and medicine to come into them and that they had to publicize their plight. And they know that nobody was getting killed. In the entire 12 months [before the lull] one Israeli was killed. (Emphasis added.)
In these two sentences, there are numerous falsehoods. First off, while conditions have not been pleasant in the Gaza Strip since Hamas perpetrated its violent takeover of the territory during the summer of 2007, starvation has not been a problem. Israel has allowed food, fuel, water and medicine into the territory. As reported by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information center, between June 22, 2008 and Nov. 4, 2008, “large quantities of food, fuel, construction material and other necessities for renewing the Gaza Strip’s economic activity were delivered through the Karni and Sufa crossings. A daily average of 80-90 trucks passed through the crossings … Changes were made in the types of goods which could be delivered, permitting the entry of iron, cement and other vital raw materials into the Gaza Strip.” (Day to day details of the supplies delivered to Gaza and the numbers of trucks involved have been published by the Israeli Foreign Ministry and are available here. The figures confirm that the passages were indeed open and busy.)

“One Israeli Killed”



Also, in the statement quoted above, President Carter repeated yet again, the falsehood that only one Israeli was killed during the 12 months before the cease fire. In fact, ten civilians were killed in Israel during this period of time " nine Israelis and one visitor from Ecuador. Four were killed by rocket fire and another six were killed by by sniper fire, shootings, and a suicide bomb attack.

The four killed by rocket fire are:

May 9, 2008 - Jimmy Kadoshim, 48, of Kibbutz Kfar Aza, was killed by mortar fire from the Gaza Strip while tending his garden.

May 12, 2008 - Shuli Katz, 70, of Kibbutz Gevaram, was killed while visiting relatives at Moshav Yesha, some 15 kms (9 miles) from the Gaza Strip.

June 5, 2008 - Amnon Rosenberg, 51, of Kibbutz Nirim was killed and four other employees were wounded when a mortar bomb fired by Palestinian terrorists from the Gaza Strip exploded outside the Nirlat paint factory in Kibbutz Nir-Oz. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 27, 2008 - Roni Yihye, 47, of Moshav Bitcha in southern Israel, a student at Sapir College, was killed Wednesday afternoon when a Kassam rocket exploded in a parking lot near the Sderot campus. He died shortly after sustaining massive wounds to his chest. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Hamas also claimed responsibility for a Jan. 15, 2008 sniper attack that killed Carlos Andres Mosquera Chavez, a 21-year-old Ecuadorian volunteering at a Kibbutz in southern Israel; a Feb. 4, 2008 suicide bombing in Dimona that killed 73-year-old Lyubov Razdolskaya; and the April 25, 2008 shooting death of Shimon Mizrahi, 53, and Eli Wasserman, 51, at an industrial park near the West Bank. And Palestinians from the Gaza Strip who infiltrated Israel on April 9, 2008 murdered Oleg Lipson, 37, and Lev Cherniak, 53.



Rockets for Food



Carter reports that Hamas did agree to a cease fire on the condition that more food and water be let into the Gaza Strip, but fails to address one important fact " Egypt, which controls Rafah Crossing, has been reluctant to ease restrictions and increase the flow of goods into the Hamas-controlled territory for fear of allowing for more intense connections between Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. (Egypt sealed its border with the Gaza Strip after Hamas’ violent takeover of the territory in June 2007.)



Moreover, Israel has allowed food, medicine and fuel into the Gaza Strip through the crossings it controls (and provides much of the Gaza Strip’s electrical needs through its power plant in Ashkelon), facts that are not made clear in the dialogue below:

CHARLIE ROSE: Let me just understand what you were saying, because it is an important point here with George Mitchell going overseas. That you believe and Hamas told you that if, in fact, there had not been sanctions against them in terms of food and other requirements...

JIMMY CARTER: That`s right.

CHARLIE ROSE: ... to come across the border into Gaza, they would not have started the shelling or they would have stopped the shelling?

JIMMY CARTER: That is correct.

CHARLIE ROSE:: It was in a sense to get attention because the Israelis were not allowing things … ?

JIMMY CARTER: That`s correct. …. Now, ones that told me that were the Hamas leaders from Gaza. They are not the ultimate boss. The ultimate bosses are in Damascus.

CHARLIE ROSE: Well, that`s right, and you met with him too. What did he tell you? What does he want? What does he believe is the future for Palestine?

JIMMY CARTER: His preeminent request to me was to get Israel to let food and water come into Gaza, and he was willing to stop the rockets if they would do so. Now...

CHARLIE ROSE: That just doesn`t -- can I just ask a question because I don`t really understand it.

JIMMY CARTER: Yes, please, go ahead.

CHARLIE ROSE: If the Israelis don`t want the rockets, that seems so, to me, such an obvious thing to do. Don`t stop the food and water from going in there, if -- because there will be no rockets.

JIMMY CARTER: But you have to talk to the Israelis about that.


Carter and Rose’s conversation here indicates to viewers that Israel’s decision to impose restriction on its border with the Gaza Strip causes rocket fire. In fact, rocket and mortar attacks have been an ongoing problem from the Gaza Strip since 2001 " long before Israel imposed restrictions after Hamas’ brutal takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007.



It should be noted that goods flow freely into the West Bank, which is controlled by Fatah, indicating that Israel’s restrictions are a consequence of Hamas’ behavior, which includes its refusal to accept Israel’s right to exist, the continued captivity of Gilad Shalit, and the ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip. Leaders who are intent on maintaining open borders with their neighbors typically do not threaten to destroy their neighor, nor do they fire " or allow to be fired " any rockets into neighboring territory. And yet, when discussing the rocket attacks, Carter gives Hamas credit for stopping most of them during the lull.

Hamas basically stopped the rockets on the 19th " it took them a few day to stop all the rockets. But they had been firing 250 rockets a month on the average. They cut that down to one rocket … eight rockets, one rocket for a month. And those were mortar fires too. They can’t control it 100 percent, but they can control it more than 99 percent.


When Carter says that Hamas was firing 250 rockets a month on the average, he drastically downplays the number of projectiles launched into Israel from the Gaza Strip. According to the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center (IICC), a total of 2044 mortars and rockets landed in Israel during the first five months of 2008, yielding an average of just over 400 projectiles per month.



Hamas Will Accept Negotiations



At one point, Carter interrupts Rose’s questioning to say, “Your questions force me to defend Hamas, and I’m not here….” Carter does not even have to finish his sentence before Rose apologetically demurs with “I don’t mean to do that, as you know.”



The fact is, it was not Rose’s questions that forced Carter to defend Hamas. Carter made that decision all by himself when he wrote his book. The whole premise of his text and of his media appearances is that peace is possible despite Hamas’ hostility toward Israel and Jews. In order for this message to make any sense, Carter must defend Hamas, and downplay its responsibility for the suffering of the people in the Gaza Strip and for the violence it has perpetrated.

--camera.org
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