@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, I have debated ci extensively, and here is my take on it. ci was lukewarm to Obama, even claimed to support McCain way back before this campaign started, but somehow through some thought process, maybe because his natural emotional tendencies caused him to gravitate to the liberal end of the spectrum to oppose conservatives, even the conservative members of his own family, he became a defender of Obama. I think it is more of a dislike of conservatives than a love for Obama, but now ci has invested so much emotional energy into Obama, he simply cannot retreat from it, it would be too much crow to eat. I think ci is a very good example of a goodly percentage of Obama supporters, it is based upon rebellion against traditional moral constraints, not love of Obama, even the press mindset can be described similarly.
So here we are, if Obama is caught in this web, the apologists are going to come out in full force, and we are already seeing that. ci is a good example, and it remains to be seen whether there will be enough intellectual honesty to admit their error if the evidence does in fact stare them in the face. In the meantime, no amount of reasoned debate will move them an inch.
And although I want honor to prevail, for the sake of the country I hope against hope that Obama is innocent because a large segment of his supporters would probably not accept the reality of it. Obama has been viewed almost as a God in many of their minds, and anyone telling them differently would be the issue, not the facts. It would make for very tough sledding for this country. It would not have needed to be this way. If only everyone would have voted based upon real presidential qualifications, instead of race or some other emotional complex that they may be harboring in their heads, then this situation could be avoided. But unfortunately, this election appeared to be some kind of personal cleansing moment for alot of voters, and the press fed that mindset to the hilt. A sad day it has become in my opinion, for America.